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William K. Klingaman said:

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America became known as "the great melting pot" (are kids even taught that?). To melt is to not keep all the different ingredients separate but to melt them into something so strong that is centered around one thing. The United States of America.

Liberals continually repeat the lie that staying diverse makes this nation great. Hogwash.

Oh, and diversity isn't about skin color, if you always think of that when you hear the word, you might be the racist.

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The term melting pot itself came from someone who wasn't even American in 1908. It didn't exist prior to that as a concept at all and our immigration laws showed it until 1965. We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people. When it was just Europeans, everyone who came here was white and Christian, which makes it rather easy to integrate even if there were a lot of denominations in comparison to someone who is Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or Islamic and from a culture not based upon ideals founded in Greco/Roman history that then spread throughout Europe thanks to The Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.

It's like how Muslims deal with outsiders. A Sunny and a Shiite Muslim May not agree and fight but they are going to be far more similar to each other than someone who is Christian or Hindu, which is why when pressed they always join together. This should not surprise anyone.

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Agreed on the history of terminology but I think you highly underestimate the difficulty of integration of Europeans. Many of these countries hated each other (and often at war when immigrating here), they had different languages and, as they perceived it, different religions (Protestants vs Catholics, even the different denominations often had homicidal hate for each other). Businesses that wouldn't allow Irish or Italians were commonplace.

Put another way, how the Irish or Italians were treated in 19th century America was far more discriminatory than anything that can be conjured up by BLM today.

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The Europeans may have hated each other but they still united for the Crusades. Same thing with the Muslims against the Christians during the Crusades.

Take South Africa for another example. The Boers and the British hated each other and fought many times and the disparate African tribes who themselves hated each other. What then happened? Well the Boers and British united and the disparate African tribes united to form united fronts. The same thing happened in Rhodesia.

Take India as another example. There are many different sects of the Hindu religion and a significant caste system in place, but they all united against Muslims and conversely the Muslims all united against the Hindus.

In all of the above examples the divide is ethnic or racial and religious (not denominational, I mean overarching religion). It is far easier to get along with someone who both looks like you and worships the same God as you even if you may disagree about doctrine than it is to get along with someone who looks very different and worships a different god.

Throughout history this has been the case in every country when faced with threats from outsiders. Denominational differences and even ethnic differences didn't matter in the end.

Immigration was nearly cut off for decades (don't remember the dates)... primary reason lack of assimilation. Forced cultural diversity is evil.

Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess

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We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people.

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From Europe though still didn't mean semi-monolithic. You over-estimate the lack of ethnic variety even in the period around the turn of the last century. You see this most in histories and fields when reading primary sources rather than university style history capsules. Its just amazing the varied backgrounds of a given citizen sometimes and where they came from.

The commonality you are noting was because it was -- correctly -- imposed by expectation and actual immigration standards on any coming here. You had to become `American' or be sidelined. What MAY be true, when think about the examples, is that most were in some form or another already exposed to Christianity. That `western tone overlay' far more than the ethnic, may be the common factor that worked.

But like in the history inventions or various fields, you see variety very early and very powerful in its contribution. Women are there too. Too many stone-cold idiots mistake failure for something to be written about and made prominent for not having taken place.

Just an angle on your point.

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Europeans are genetically similar, it's very easy to see from a haplogroup chart and it has been proven through many studies that people naturally get along better with those who are closer to them from a genetic standpoint. The ethnic diversity of Europeans actually is not that big from a genetic standpoint. Why? Because Europeans went through a massive bottleneck during the Ice Ages where most of them died.

Essentially, those genetic differences are quite small in comparison to the genetic differences between Europeans and Africans or Asians.

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Throughout history this has been the case in every country when faced with threats from outsiders. Denominational differences and even ethnic differences didn't matter in the end.

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That is what mean. Diversity that has become "welded" into being American first, and it happened routinely through last century, is no less committed. Look at some of the astronauts in the space program as well.

Since the days of the Civil War are such a topic now, there were free blacks aboard the Confederate ironclads in places. That doesn't fit any narrative.

The problem is what wyoag93 said so well -- the Democrats have embraced a Marxist view of it that restores the "separateness" and breaks the weld:

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a Marxist political system that breaks everyone into separate identifiable groups and publically SHAMES anyone that "appropriates" from another group or offers constructive criticism. Liberals actually hate real diversity, so they simply redefined the meaning of diversity. It's much easier to control the minions that way.

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titan said:

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SLAM,

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We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people.

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From Europe though still didn't mean semi-monolithic. You over-estimate the lack of ethnic variety even in the period around the turn of the last century. You see this most in histories and fields when reading primary sources rather than university style history capsules. Its just amazing the varied backgrounds of a given citizen sometimes and where they came from.

The commonality you are noting was because it was -- correctly -- imposed by expectation and actual immigration standards on any coming here. You had to become `American' or be sidelined. What MAY be true, when think about the examples, is that most were in some form or another already exposed to Christianity. That `western tone overlay' far more than the ethnic, may be the common factor that worked.

But like in the history inventions or various fields, you see variety very early and very powerful in its contribution. Women are there too. Too many stone-cold idiots mistake failure for something to be written about and made prominent for not having taken place.

Just an angle on your point.

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Europeans are genetically similar, it's very easy to see from a haplogroup chart and it has been proven through many studies that people naturally get along better with those who are closer to them from a genetic standpoint. The ethnic diversity of Europeans actually is not that big from a genetic standpoint. Why? Because Europeans went through a massive bottleneck during the Ice Ages where most of them died.

Essentially, those genetic differences are quite small in comparison to the genetic differences between Europeans and Africans or Asians.

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Italian and Nordic women are quite different. Wish I was a good Rule #1 poster.

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Ag$08 said:

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Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.

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As a kid in elementary school during the 60s that's not entirely true. The USSR was "The Mixing Bowl" and the US was "The Melting Pot."

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Which is funny because the Soviets were far more homogeneous from an racial and religious standpoint than the US, even back then.

Regardless, both of those terms are explicitly anti-white.

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Completely disagree. That appearance of homogeneity was forced upon them by a totalitarian system.What was meant by the mixing bowl was that the people remained indigenous to their region, spoke their own languages, had their own culture but were ruled by the Soviets. Once the USSR collapsed, those former satellite states became autonomous precisely because they had never lost their identity.

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Go look at a haplogroup map, Soviet Demographics, and how prevalent Orthodox was there. Even in 1965, the US was barely 90% white with many different denominations of Christianity. Comparatively, the Soviets were all genetically similar (outside of the far eastern portion) and all were Orthodox. Russians and Ukrainians are very very similar from a genetic standpoint. Those ethnic differences you speak of were small in comparison to those diversity differences in the US.

Russia remains far more homogeneous than the US today, it always was. Have you ever seen a Black Russian or a Hispanic Russian?

MaroonStain said:

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SLAM,

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We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people.

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From Europe though still didn't mean semi-monolithic. You over-estimate the lack of ethnic variety even in the period around the turn of the last century. You see this most in histories and fields when reading primary sources rather than university style history capsules. Its just amazing the varied backgrounds of a given citizen sometimes and where they came from.

The commonality you are noting was because it was -- correctly -- imposed by expectation and actual immigration standards on any coming here. You had to become `American' or be sidelined. What MAY be true, when think about the examples, is that most were in some form or another already exposed to Christianity. That `western tone overlay' far more than the ethnic, may be the common factor that worked.

But like in the history inventions or various fields, you see variety very early and very powerful in its contribution. Women are there too. Too many stone-cold idiots mistake failure for something to be written about and made prominent for not having taken place.

Just an angle on your point.

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Europeans are genetically similar, it's very easy to see from a haplogroup chart and it has been proven through many studies that people naturally get along better with those who are closer to them from a genetic standpoint. The ethnic diversity of Europeans actually is not that big from a genetic standpoint. Why? Because Europeans went through a massive bottleneck during the Ice Ages where most of them died.

Essentially, those genetic differences are quite small in comparison to the genetic differences between Europeans and Africans or Asians.

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Italian and Nordic women are quite different. Wish I was a good Rule #1 poster.

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You can easily find Italian women with blonde hair and blue eyes in Northern Italy. In general they look far far more similar than say an Italian vs an African/Asian or a Nordic vs an African/Asian.

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Russia remains far more homogeneous than the US today, it always was. Have you ever seen a Black Russian or a Hispanic Russian?

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The explanation goes something like this. Along with many African students in the 1960s, Johnson's Ghanaian father was given the chance to study in Eastern Europe as part of the Soviet Union's efforts to expand its influence across the African continent during the Cold War. His time in Bulgaria studying biochemistry was cut short after four years when all Ghanaian students were expelled from the country following a confrontation between African students and the police. By then he'd already met Johnson Artur's mother, who gave birth to their daughter in 1964, a few months after his departure.

Johnson Artur spent her childhood in Bulgaria and then Germany and has been based in Britain since 1990. Her father was unable to return to Bulgaria and is now settled in Ghana. She only met him for the first time in 2010. After doing so, she felt moved to start documenting the stories of other Russians of African and Caribbean origin. "Most black Russians that I met in Moscow and St Petersburg had also grown up without their fathers. Some had been fostered or grown up in children's homes and had never met their mothers. But we all agreed that we felt Russian as well as African."

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Most of her subjects, who often describe themselves as Afro-Russians, had grown up without much contact with other black people or with little of the shared culture and identity familiar to African-Americans and black Britons. "The amount we know about our African heritage varies from individual to individual," says Johnson Artur. What they do have in common however, is a history of struggle against a commonly encountered resistance to the presence of black people in Russia. "Those who grew up and live in Russia still have to justify on a daily basis the fact that they are Russians too." Johnson Artur hopes her project will go some to connecting and making visible the generation of black Russians that have grown up calling the country home.

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Russians are racist.

Ag$08 said:

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Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.

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separate but equal

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MaroonStain said:

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SLAM said:

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titan said:

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SLAM,

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We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people.

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From Europe though still didn't mean semi-monolithic. You over-estimate the lack of ethnic variety even in the period around the turn of the last century. You see this most in histories and fields when reading primary sources rather than university style history capsules. Its just amazing the varied backgrounds of a given citizen sometimes and where they came from.

The commonality you are noting was because it was -- correctly -- imposed by expectation and actual immigration standards on any coming here. You had to become `American' or be sidelined. What MAY be true, when think about the examples, is that most were in some form or another already exposed to Christianity. That `western tone overlay' far more than the ethnic, may be the common factor that worked.

But like in the history inventions or various fields, you see variety very early and very powerful in its contribution. Women are there too. Too many stone-cold idiots mistake failure for something to be written about and made prominent for not having taken place.

Just an angle on your point.

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Europeans are genetically similar, it's very easy to see from a haplogroup chart and it has been proven through many studies that people naturally get along better with those who are closer to them from a genetic standpoint. The ethnic diversity of Europeans actually is not that big from a genetic standpoint. Why? Because Europeans went through a massive bottleneck during the Ice Ages where most of them died.

Essentially, those genetic differences are quite small in comparison to the genetic differences between Europeans and Africans or Asians.

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Italian and Nordic women are quite different. Wish I was a good Rule #1 poster.

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You can easily find Italian women with blonde hair and blue eyes in Northern Italy. In general they look far far more similar than say an Italian vs an African/Asian or a Nordic vs an African/Asian.

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Not buying it. Stop the sale.

aggiehawg said:

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Russia remains far more homogeneous than the US today, it always was. Have you ever seen a Black Russian or a Hispanic Russian?

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The explanation goes something like this. Along with many African students in the 1960s, Johnson's Ghanaian father was given the chance to study in Eastern Europe as part of the Soviet Union's efforts to expand its influence across the African continent during the Cold War. His time in Bulgaria studying biochemistry was cut short after four years when all Ghanaian students were expelled from the country following a confrontation between African students and the police. By then he'd already met Johnson Artur's mother, who gave birth to their daughter in 1964, a few months after his departure.

Johnson Artur spent her childhood in Bulgaria and then Germany and has been based in Britain since 1990. Her father was unable to return to Bulgaria and is now settled in Ghana. She only met him for the first time in 2010. After doing so, she felt moved to start documenting the stories of other Russians of African and Caribbean origin. "Most black Russians that I met in Moscow and St Petersburg had also grown up without their fathers. Some had been fostered or grown up in children's homes and had never met their mothers. But we all agreed that we felt Russian as well as African."

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Most of her subjects, who often describe themselves as Afro-Russians, had grown up without much contact with other black people or with little of the shared culture and identity familiar to African-Americans and black Britons. "The amount we know about our African heritage varies from individual to individual," says Johnson Artur. What they do have in common however, is a history of struggle against a commonly encountered resistance to the presence of black people in Russia. "Those who grew up and live in Russia still have to justify on a daily basis the fact that they are Russians too." Johnson Artur hopes her project will go some to connecting and making visible the generation of black Russians that have grown up calling the country home.

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Russians are racist.

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Okay, but they are still far more homogeneous than us. I don't care that they are racist and that's not an argument against their homogeneity.

Friend of mine had a Russian exchange student in high school in the 90's....wow is all i can say

MaroonStain said:

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MaroonStain said:

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SLAM said:

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titan said:

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SLAM,

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We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people.

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From Europe though still didn't mean semi-monolithic. You over-estimate the lack of ethnic variety even in the period around the turn of the last century. You see this most in histories and fields when reading primary sources rather than university style history capsules. Its just amazing the varied backgrounds of a given citizen sometimes and where they came from.

The commonality you are noting was because it was -- correctly -- imposed by expectation and actual immigration standards on any coming here. You had to become `American' or be sidelined. What MAY be true, when think about the examples, is that most were in some form or another already exposed to Christianity. That `western tone overlay' far more than the ethnic, may be the common factor that worked.

But like in the history inventions or various fields, you see variety very early and very powerful in its contribution. Women are there too. Too many stone-cold idiots mistake failure for something to be written about and made prominent for not having taken place.

Just an angle on your point.

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Europeans are genetically similar, it's very easy to see from a haplogroup chart and it has been proven through many studies that people naturally get along better with those who are closer to them from a genetic standpoint. The ethnic diversity of Europeans actually is not that big from a genetic standpoint. Why? Because Europeans went through a massive bottleneck during the Ice Ages where most of them died.

Essentially, those genetic differences are quite small in comparison to the genetic differences between Europeans and Africans or Asians.

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Italian and Nordic women are quite different. Wish I was a good Rule #1 poster.

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You can easily find Italian women with blonde hair and blue eyes in Northern Italy. In general they look far far more similar than say an Italian vs an African/Asian or a Nordic vs an African/Asian.

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Not buying it. Stop the sale.

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An Italian woman


A Nordic woman


Man look at how different they look! It's almost as if they have very similar genetic histories!

Leftist "diversity" is the laziest type of diversity - race, gender, sexual orientation. As long as you're not a straight, white male, you're "diverse" and need to be celebrated, promoted and feel faux-oppressed.

True diversity should ignore physical traits which have nothing to do with promoting better ideas or solutions. Different ideas are great to find better solutions as long as the end goal is the same.

Our end goals are so different in today's society and work places that "diversity" is a sham and simply a method for leftists to remediate their soft bigotry of low expectations, through the discrimination against straight, white males.

That 1st pic has colored hair, bud.

Again, stop the sale.

That 1st pic has colored hair, bud.

Again, stop the sale.

MaroonStain said:

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That 1st pic has colored hair, bud.

Again, stop the sale.

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In Northern Italy, roughly 20% of Italians have blonde hair. Do you know anything about Europe at all?

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MaroonStain said:

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That 1st pic has colored hair, bud.

Again, stop the sale.

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In Northern Italy, roughly 20% of Italians have blonde hair. Do you know anything about Europe at all?

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Yes. 1 - It is a continent across the Atlantic. 2 - The woman in the 1st pic has dark roots.

Do you know anything about women?