Yeah, I think when the time comes, a lot of people that don't like Trump are still going to have trouble getting motivated to stop what they are doing to go punch a ballot for Dementia Joe
This is a great question, because it is not a matter of if there will be MORE cast than registered, it is the way the votes are handled. And there are several key points in the process where human intervention can tilt the count one way or another, away from the true count.barnyard1996 said:
I agree with the poor sampling in the polls. It is almost criminal.
On voter fraud, lets narrow it down to Texas. How are more votes going to be cast than registered voters? You have to apply for a ballot and qualify to be sent one.
Biden's stated policies and who he will be inclusive of are devastating enough.barnyard1996 said:The democrats are destroying their cities and defunding police forces. Biden is lining up with Bernie. Biden will be a puppet president.New World Ag said:I don't see Biden as a socialist and believe he will govern from the middle. I'll rather take my chances with him and get my Republican Party back instead of the Party of Trump.Jbob04 said:New World Ag said:
I won't vote for Trump. I'd definitely vote for Pence if he was candidate...likely any other Republican for that matter.
I will never understand this mindset. Trump has done more for this country than any other recent president going back to Reagan. I guess socialism and the destruction of our country via the liberal mindset is ok with you.
His VP choice will be critical, though.
No socialism anywhere in there?
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It's gotta be tough to be center-left media outlet Axios.
They pay a ton of money to do focus group work on swing state voters ... and the voters don't tell them the story they had probably hoped to hear. Witness this:They've got it down as 'some' from their focus group of voters who had voted for President Obama in 2012 and then went for Trump in 2016, which, to be fair, is accurate enough.Quote:
Some swing voters in Warren, Mich., question Joe Biden's ability to lead the country calling him a "puppet" who's not "mentally capable of being president" while admitting they haven't paid much attention to his events, platforms or speeches.
But it doesn't tell the whole story. Actually, that 'some' looks like quite a lot -- only two of the nine voters in the swing-state focus group actually plan to vote for Biden. The other seven, well, Axios doesn't say, but they're probably either undecided or more likely (given the Axios reticence) voting again for Trump.
In a story from last month, Axios found that nine out of 10 Trump voters intend to stick with Trump.
Meanwhile, back in Michigan, the swing voter verdict on Biden is pretty brutal - here's a sample from the Axios report:Some other takings:Quote:
"I just feel that what he's saying is not making any sense to me," said Sharon T. of Biden's television appearances. She called Biden "a puppet" for wearing a mask in public, suggesting that he was only doing it to be politically correct.There were no contrasting positive statements noted from the participants, and you know that Axios would note them if they were there -- Axios was reduced to citing a national poll that made unfavorable claims about Trump as if those things were accurate.Quote:
"I don't think that Biden is mentally capable of being president."
..."up there in age"
..."showing signs of dementia"
..."a puppet" who is "controlled by a lot of people in the deep state." ... "the lobbyists, the people that have the big money, the people that have influence on a lot of the politicians."
...a feeling that Biden "becomes lost in his answers,"
Biden will govern from where he's told to govern.New World Ag said:I don't see Biden as a socialist and believe he will govern from the middle. I'll rather take my chances with him and get my Republican Party back instead of the Party of Trump.Jbob04 said:New World Ag said:
I won't vote for Trump. I'd definitely vote for Pence if he was candidate...likely any other Republican for that matter.
I will never understand this mindset. Trump has done more for this country than any other recent president going back to Reagan. I guess socialism and the destruction of our country via the liberal mindset is ok with you.
His VP choice will be critical, though.
oldarmy1 said:
What does Biden stand for? Lawlessness, open borders, extreme taxation, Weakened national security.
The country isn't going to elect that. Women or little girl sniffing not withstanding...
Zero chance Biden wins once he comes out of his basement and has to try to string multiple coherent sentences together in front of a live audience.will25u said:
Back to pre-WuFlu numbers? We will have to wait and see, but this is the first time he has been back to 50% since Feb.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump's job performance. Forty-eight percent (48%) disapprove.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/current_events/politics/prez_track_jul31
And visual snaps of the Democratic platform put in an easy to see what it means manner.Bingo Bango Bongo said:
The smartest thing the Trump campaign could do is run a bunch of ads of Biden being Biden.
And don't forget, something like 3-4 million of her "popular vote" advantage was in California. A state never in play.agforlife97 said:
There was a major WSJ poll in October 2016 that showed Hillary up nationally by like 16 points. Hillary ended up winning the popular vote by only 2.1 percentage points. So it's really hard to say what the real state of the race is at this point. I personally think that as long as Trump is within 3-6 points in the swing states that matter, then he'll likely win. I really think that Trump voters simply don't identify themselves to pollsters.
Uh ?barnyard1996 said:
already floating some narratives to give credit to science community and not Trump.
Considering only half of Americans would take it, i'm not sure that will have a significant effect.barnyard1996 said:
Sometime in in the next 2 months, Trump will announce we have a vaccine and hundreds of millions of doses being distributed by Army, FEMA, National Guard all across the country.
The dems are very worried about this development and already floating some narratives to give credit to science community and not Trump. Also floating that Trump has no plan to execute the delivery of the vaccine. They will exploit hiccups during the execution, but I don't think it will do them much good.
The emphasis of the election will be the economy and Trump will win.
That doesn't hold up. Democrats are polling as far more likely to take a vaccine than Republicans.titan said:
Right. The emphasis being that the Democrats want to shut down the economy, and enable continued lawlessness for grievance culture, and have been is a better argument.
Pretty sure he was referring to Democrat "leaders"That_Guy_Moose said:That doesn't hold up. Democrats are polling as far more likely to take a vaccine than Republicans.titan said:
Right. The emphasis being that the Democrats want to shut down the economy, and enable continued lawlessness for grievance culture, and have been is a better argument.
Correct. And the lawlessness part is a matter of record.Artorias said:Pretty sure he was referring to Democrat "leaders"That_Guy_Moose said:That doesn't hold up. Democrats are polling as far more likely to take a vaccine than Republicans.titan said:
Right. The emphasis being that the Democrats want to shut down the economy, and enable continued lawlessness for grievance culture, and have been is a better argument.
Those two don't go together though. A good part of those who will not take it, also do not favor shut down to avoid it. It just isn't of that magnitude. Its not like there is a correlation between those who don't trust a rushed vaccine and don't also especially fear the virus, with those who want all shut down and life guarantees.That_Guy_Moose said:
That's fair, but begs the question now -- the original point was Trump would unveil a vaccine that will save the country and the economy.
But less than half of his base (with addendum that one state sampled in my link) is polled as being ready to take it. There's a clear split between the agenda argued (vaccine will save Trump in November) and the facts on the ground surrounding the politicization of a COVID vaccine and what his voters believe.
Uh what?ETFan said:Uh ?barnyard1996 said:
already floating some narratives to give credit to science community and not Trump.
In the strictest sense of your post, you are correct we agree.That_Guy_Moose said:
Right, I think in a way we're actually agreeing on this point that regardless, between now and November a vaccine will not able to save Trump's reelection even if it were to become available.
If less than half of Americans will be willing to take it (Trump's base moreso), and we do not meet the threshold for Herd Immunity, the negative economic effects will continue to linger (abetted by Democrats or otherwise). I just don't see Democrat leaders being too worried about a vaccine being unveiled less than 100 days before the election because so few Americans will trust or take it, and on top of that it's far too late to have a positive economic impact by November.
You raise a good point, and this will be a talking point. The MSM will accuse Trump of not encouraging folks to take the vaccine. Will be similar to the mask debate.That_Guy_Moose said:
Considering only half of Americans would take it, i'm not sure that will have a significant effect.