So, let me get this straight. You think Kellen's ancestors are bad people?
UniqueIGN said:FunkyKO said:
Sure it does.
That qb family tree has a lot of schools, streets, parks, historical documents, laws that we have in place today.
Should we erase them all as well?
Let me answer for ya cause it's late.....no.
You're not erasing history by renaming things. Of course it'd be hypocritical if he claimed that those places shouldn't be renamed because it's his ancestry but come on, that's just speculation and what ifs, and I highly doubt he'd flip flop from it if true. It doesnt change anything and honestly at this point it just feels like people are digging into people's lives and personal info because of the opinions they hold.
You are absolutely rightUniqueIGN said:
Yall are absolutely crazy omg. Anti-Racist means exactly that being anti racist. Having ancestors who were bad people doesnt mean you cant be anti-racist. Y'all have created this giant narrative in your heads that doesn't even exist in the real world.
AggieRain said:
So...*yawn*...did I miss anything good last night?
UniqueIGN said:
Yall are absolutely crazy omg. Anti-Racist means exactly that being anti racist. Having ancestors who were bad people doesnt mean you cant be anti-racist. Y'all have created this giant narrative in your heads that doesn't even exist in the real world.
Being anti-racist means acknowledging your own racism. That means divesting yourself of wealth derived from racism. Kellen Mond has family wealth derived from "slave catching" and huge cotton crops. Until his family divests themselves of their wealth, they aren't anti-racist. Also, Kellen needs to apologize to all blacks for his family's horrible, racist past.UniqueIGN said:
Yall are absolutely crazy omg. Anti-Racist means exactly that being anti racist. Having ancestors who were bad people doesnt mean you cant be anti-racist. Y'all have created this giant narrative in your heads that doesn't even exist in the real world.
DTP02 said:UniqueIGN said:
Yall are absolutely crazy omg. Anti-Racist means exactly that being anti racist. Having ancestors who were bad people doesnt mean you cant be anti-racist. Y'all have created this giant narrative in your heads that doesn't even exist in the real world.
I will type more slowly for you this time. Try harder to keep up. And leave the childish omg's on the playground with the rest of the kids.
"If you aren't anti-racist, you're racist." That's what Kellen said and it's the current dogma for the "movement." What it means is that you have to call out and attack all examples of racism all the time, or you're racist.
Applying the standards that Kellen and his influencers would apply ( not standards I would want applied, mind you), Kellen is racist for not disavowing his ancestors, calling for the removal of any honoring or recognition of them, and abjectly apologizing for their sins.
That is the inevitable, logical requirement of the view he espoused.
. So you know that the full context of the situation was that prior to any of that two of Sully's soldiers were taken and brutally butchered by the same all-black outfit he refused to give quarter to then, right? War is brutal, and I'm not saying that vengeance is an attractive trait, but giving no quarter to a foe that has been brutal to you first had been a fairly commonplace occurrence in wars throughout human history.UniqueIGN said:
Oh, I've read several sources in the subjects and several books. Here, copy and paste this quote into google and you'll find several books where you can get the full context of the situation. "We squabbled about the terms of the capitulation, as I would not recognize n*groes as soldiers or guaranty them nor their officers protection as such." Ross was not going to give black soldiers protection like he did the other soldiers. This meant that they would be able to torture, kill, or do whatever they wanted with them. Thankfully they were attacked while figuring out agreements and they were freed.
**Unless it involves racist terms like Coon against people that disagree with you.DTP02 said:UniqueIGN said:
Yall are absolutely crazy omg. Anti-Racist means exactly that being anti racist. Having ancestors who were bad people doesnt mean you cant be anti-racist. Y'all have created this giant narrative in your heads that doesn't even exist in the real world.
I will type more slowly for you this time. Try harder to keep up. And leave the childish omg's on the playground with the rest of the kids.
"If you aren't anti-racist, you're racist." That's what Kellen said and it's the current dogma for the "movement." What it means is that you have to call out and attack all examples of racism all the time, or you're racist. **
Applying the standards that Kellen and his influencers would apply ( not standards I would want applied, mind you), Kellen is racist for not disavowing his ancestors, calling for the removal of any honoring or recognition of them, and abjectly apologizing for their sins.
That is the inevitable, logical requirement of the view he espoused.
UniqueIGN said:DTP02 said:UniqueIGN said:
Yall are absolutely crazy omg. Anti-Racist means exactly that being anti racist. Having ancestors who were bad people doesnt mean you cant be anti-racist. Y'all have created this giant narrative in your heads that doesn't even exist in the real world.
I will type more slowly for you this time. Try harder to keep up. And leave the childish omg's on the playground with the rest of the kids.
"If you aren't anti-racist, you're racist." That's what Kellen said and it's the current dogma for the "movement." What it means is that you have to call out and attack all examples of racism all the time, or you're racist.
Applying the standards that Kellen and his influencers would apply ( not standards I would want applied, mind you), Kellen is racist for not disavowing his ancestors, calling for the removal of any honoring or recognition of them, and abjectly apologizing for their sins.
That is the inevitable, logical requirement of the view he espoused.
Being antiracist doesnt mean always going out of your way to find racist acts to call out, it means calling out racist acts that you see. Furthermore that logic doesnt follow at all when this thread was made *last night* and this isn't even confirmed to be true. You cant say someone is going against their logic before they even have a chance to respond to it. It's crazy that y'all still believe that we think everyone should apologize for what their ancestors did and should feel guilty for it.
UniqueIGN said:
Nah man, isn't racist for one black person to call another black person a c*on. It has completely different meanings depending on the person who uses. That's how reclaiming words works!
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Can you imagine what you could accomplish if instead of using all of that young energy to destroy, you instead went out and built something? Created something new?
UniqueIGN said:
Yall are absolutely crazy omg. Anti-Racist means exactly that being anti racist. Having ancestors who were bad people doesnt mean you cant be anti-racist. Y'all have created this giant narrative in your heads that doesn't even exist in the real world.
UniqueIGN said:
Nah man, it isn't racist for one black person to call another black person a c*on. It has completely different meanings depending on the person who uses it. That's how reclaiming words works!
GCP12 said:The people he is speaking for(and he believes this as well, imo) believe that white people should pay for the faults of their ancestors. You have to be a complete moran to not see why his own ancestors being a part of the "issue" he cares so deeply about doesn't prove how absolutely insane the idea is to begin with.UniqueIGN said:aggie appraiser said:UniqueIGN said:FunkyKO said:
You don't understand...we are talking the founding fathers of cities (Plural) in south Texas. It's not gonna happen.
So yeah it's hypocritical.
Doesn't change anything for you. You've got no skin in the game. Not your family tree.
It literally isn't hypocritical to have ancestry with confederate soldiers and to argue against having statues of confederate soldiers. Your ancestors don't dictate what you can fight for. It's only hypocritical if you dont want to get rid of your ancestors statues who did horrible things and want to get rid of all others.
Maybe he should bring down the buildings/statues/parks/etc named for his confederate family first.
If this is actually true, and that's a big if, then it doesn't matter what he tries to bring down first as long as he doesn't support either of them. The one where he has the most say in right now is the Sully statue since he's the quarterback at the university where it's a problem. It makes sense to fight most for the things you have the most say in, and the places where you can make the biggest impact
...so it's gotta be true, right?GT_Aggie2015 said:
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3122949/replies/56931975
I came across the link on FB... Just saw the person who shared it grabbed it from a FB group so who knows the legitimacy.