Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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nortex97 said:

Welcome to the dark side, Hawg. We have happy hours.
Can I bring my light saber?
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Sure, why not. Just can't be blue.
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TRM said:

will25u said:



He is obviously making a thread about this deposition...

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I'm having a brain fart apparently, what is the significance of the name "Max"??
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Can anyone provide insight on this?

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There is precedent that the SOL doesn't run out if the conspiracy is continuing and acts still being committed in furtherance of it. That has been held to include acts attempting to cover it up.

We'll see what happens here.
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Well, I am still highly dubious about anything happening, but it is good that mroe and more people are figuring out what a fraud Russiagate, the FBI, and Mueller/Weissman

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"Evidence grows that the alleged Russian hacking of the DNC server in 2016 was an inside job.
"This is the fifth in a series of articles analyzing the 27 page federal grand jury indictment charging lawyer Michael Sussmann with making a false statement to the FBI.

"As stated in the fourth article, when the FBI learned of the alleged hack of the Democratic National Committee's ("DNC") emails, it asked to examine the server.

"In fact, at the same time as the alleged DNC hack, there were similar reports regarding the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's ("DCCC") server as well as DNC Chairman John Podesta's personal email devices."

Blah, blah, blah, as he quotes a transcript of Comey lying to Congress.

Then he wrote, "So, instead of using a search warrant or some other legal process to perform a direct, hands on forensic examination of the DNC server, the FBI agreed to base its investigation on the findings of a private cybersecurity company. And, as discussed in the previous article, that company, CrowdStrike, was to do the investigation pursuant to its contract with Michael Sussmann of Perkins Coie, the law firm that represented Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

"Think about that. When presented with allegations of a devastating foreign cyber attack on one of the two major political parties, the FBI meekly agreed to allow CrowdStrike and Perkins Coie to do the forensic examination and, for all intents and purposes, run the investigation."

Of course it was an inside job. Wikileaks said it got the emails from a thumbnail drive. DNCC employee Seth Rich was murdered afterward.

The news is that John Durham may send someone to jail over this.
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Just disband the entire organization. At this point the FBI is nothing but a criminal organization fronting as a law enforcement agency.
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will25u said:


That's not a big deal at all. Issue was raised and the DOJ offered the explanation for the screw-up and fixed it.
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The Swamp knows when they need the cover up assisted, they call on long time Clinton mouthpiece Stephanopoulos to flat out lie and deceive the public who still are dense enough to believe Stephanopoulos is really some kind of journalist with any integrity whatsoever.

Steele saying he wrote this is laughable. He's ruined financially and the Clinton's likely have offered him a comfortable life versus a dirt nap if he doesn't take the fall for this garbage document. Stephanopoulos is helping lay the groundwork to protect the Clinton's as he's done for decades.
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Coming Into Focus: Hillary's Secretive, Russiagate-Flogging Pair of Super-Lawyers


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The indictment of Hillary Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann for allegedly lying to the FBI sheds new light on the pivotal role of Democratic operatives in the Russiagate affair. The emerging picture shows Sussmann and his Perkins Coie colleague Marc Elias, the chief counsel for Clinton's 2016 campaign, proceeding on parallel, coordinated tracks to solicit and spread disinformation tying Donald Trump to the Kremlin.

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These two Clinton campaign contractors, working directly for two Clinton campaign attorneys, would go on to play highly consequential roles in the ensuing multi-year Russia investigation.

Working secretly for the Clinton campaign, Fusion GPS planted Trump-Russia conspiracy theories in the FBI and US media via its subcontractor, former British spy Christopher Steele. The FBI used the Fusion GPS's now debunked "Steele dossier" for investigative leads and multiple surveillance applications putatively targeting Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page.

CrowdStrike, reporting to Sussmann, also proved critical to the FBI's work. Rather than examine the DNC servers for itself, the FBI relied on CrowdStrike's forensics as mediated by Sussmann.

The FBI's odd relationship with the two Democratic Party contractors gave Sussmann and Elias unprecedented influence over a high-stakes national security scandal that upended U.S. politics and ensnared their political opponents. By hiring CrowdStrike and Fusion GPS, the Perkins Coie lawyers helped define the Trump-Russia narrative and impact the flow of information to the highest reaches of U.S. intelligence agencies.
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Thread.


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Would Durham use the FBI as his investigating agency? Seems implausible.

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Yeah probably destroying evidence to protect the the traitors.
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will25u said:

Would Durham use the FBI as his investigating agency? Seems implausible.


FBI executes search warrants approved by a grand jury. Standard procedure. Need to know where the search warrants originated to know if it is Durham or not.
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A bit above my head. Lots of info out there.

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Stephanopholous granting this interview just lets you know he is yet again a political activist, NOT a journalist.
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Layne Staley said:

Stephanopholous granting this interview just lets you know he is yet again a political activist, NOT a journalist.
How about the fact he's been working on this for...checks notes...THREE YEARS??

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Is there any kind of chronology or bullet point summary that tracks this scandal across the years? I tried to summarize it for someone and felt that I did a terribly inadequate job.
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Rebuilding the narrative for posterity to deter future detailed investigation. 1984 by corporate proxy.

I've pretty much decided that F500 corporations are effectively becoming Facist state-like bureaucratic proxy organizations. They collide to an extreme degree with regulators and legislation via a complex web of interest groups and lobbying firms.

Big business isn't serving stockholders as an investment any longer. That very clearly includes major corporate media. I don't think they realize it, though, because they exist in such a bubble.
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aggiehawg said:

Layne Staley said:

Stephanopoulos granting this interview just lets you know he is yet again a political activist, NOT a journalist.
How about the fact he's been working on this for...checks notes...THREE YEARS??


The Clinton janitorial service run by George Stephanopoulos.
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Jabin said:

Is there any kind of chronology or bullet point summary that tracks this scandal across the years? I tried to summarize it for someone and felt that I did a terribly inadequate job.
Here's a useful tool

http://thespygateproject.org/
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Try this one.

Link
KingofHazor
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Thanks, hawg & sicandtired, but I was hoping for something a bit shorter, perhaps 1 page. It is impossible to get someone to actually read through and digest websites as lengthy as those. Great resources, but not great summaries.

Like all events/scandals/conspiracies, there have to be 3-5 events that are critical, that cannot be explained away. Then, there are another 20 or so events that are important to providing background and color to the 3-5 key events.

If there is no such summary, I may take the time and effort to prepare one. What's retirement for, anyway?
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Jabin said:

Thanks, hawg & sicandtired, but I was hoping for something a bit shorter, perhaps 1 page. It is impossible to get someone to actually read through and digest websites as lengthy as those. Great resources, but not great summaries.

Like all events/scandals/conspiracies, there have to be 3-5 events that are critical, that cannot be explained away. Then, there are another 20 or so events that are important to providing background and color to the 3-5 key events.

If there is no such summary, I may take the time and effort to prepare one. What's retirement for, anyway?
Not sure you can even fit the preamble on one page for this scandal. It's volumes of books in the making
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True, but everything needs and is capable of having an executive summary.
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Jabin said:

Thanks, hawg & sicandtired, but I was hoping for something a bit shorter, perhaps 1 page. It is impossible to get someone to actually read through and digest websites as lengthy as those. Great resources, but not great summaries.

Like all events/scandals/conspiracies, there have to be 3-5 events that are critical, that cannot be explained away. Then, there are another 20 or so events that are important to providing background and color to the 3-5 key events.

If there is no such summary, I may take the time and effort to prepare one. What's retirement for, anyway?
What is and what isn't important varies between people. Being a retired attorney, the legal issues were always the ones that got my attention. But having suffered throughout the last years, in hindsight what started out as a way to get Hillary's emails off of the front page news and slam her opponent with a phony story about Russian collusion morphed into a specific plan to impeach Trump in any way possible and to hide their misdeeds.

The Mueller investigation was designed to accomplish three things:

1) Appropriate singular control of the matters under investigation to forestall any Congressional investigations. That's the reason Rosenstein had to change the scope twice after the initial appointment. Mueller had control of the narrative. And he could also cover up or memory hole any fingerprints on the malfeasance occurring at the FBI with the FISA warrants.

2) use grand juries to harass the Trump administration endlessly with subpoenas and distract the WH from implementing Trump's agenda. It was also a perjury trap and attempts to bait Trump into an obstruction charge. Failing that, they had the final plan to get to impeachment;

3) Use the grand jury materials to draft articles of impeachment against Trump after the 2018 midterms and the Dems retook the House. Although it did not get much attention at the time, the second Pelosi took the gavel she implemented sweeping changes to the House Rules all designed solely for impeaching Trump. The Mueller Report was seen as the crown jewel they would use.

But then a weird thing happened, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals issued a decision about the use of grand jury materials. They held that federal judges did not have inherent authority to release grand jury materials outside of the specific exceptions written in the federal Rules of Criminal Procedures. Meaning Nadler and Schiff could not get their hands on all of the grand jury material Mueller had accrued.

Then a second unexpected thing happened, Bill Barr was confirmed as AG before Mueller could get his report out. Before he was confirmed, Barr had Rosenstein pass along to Mueller that he expected the report to protect grand jury materials and have them segregated so he would be able to release the report without having to redact a lot under the new holding of the DC Circuit. But Team Mueller defied that order and put a ton of grand jury materials throughout the report. That caused a delay as Barr and Rosenstein then had to redact those materials, making it look as if Barr was covering up for Trump.
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aggiehawg said:

Try this one.

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Molly Hemmingway's new book "Rigged".


I haven't taken the time to read this yet, and hope you have.

I respect her quite a bit.

It will make quality reading when the temps drop below zero in Texas this February (like every year--or in Amarillo).
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