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She was lying and he exposed her lying.

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I do not disagree. But the Senate does a horrible job of hammering these individuals when they hide behind an excuse of incompetence. THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE SPYING AND ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE. "I didn't know" - complete BS. Their only job is to know what they are signing.

The country will not survive with a two tiered justice system, and the precedent this sets is terrifying. Meanwhile, madam Lindsey is wearing kid gloves all damn day.

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The Senate is not set up to allow for any type of proper examination of any witness before it. Neither is the House.

There was something else happening today. Yates lied, demonstrably lied repeatedly today. That could and likely will prove useful.

My biggest fear is more that Barr/Durham will be held back by fearful political advisors of Trump at the moment and tread more carefully.

My faith in Barr's sober legal analysis and judgment is largely unwavering. Brilliant legal mind, wastes few words and when he mentions something, it is very meaningful. Conventional wisdom would be that Lindsay wouldn't hold this hearing with Yates if Barr hadn't okayed it, implying she's somehow in the clear.

As Wendy Rhoades told Chuck, "Flip the script." (Billions reference.)

PearlJammin said:

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She was lying and he exposed her lying.

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I do not disagree. But the Senate does a horrible job of hammering these individuals when they hide behind an excuse of incompetence. THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE SPYING AND ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE. "I didn't know" - complete BS. Their only job is to know what they are signing.

The country will not survive with a two tiered justice system, and the precedent this sets is terrifying. Meanwhile, madam Lindsey is wearing kid gloves all damn day.

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Then it won't survive because the justice system has been a two tiered joke and double-standard favoring Democrats for twelve years at least, probably more. There remains very little chance there will be any consequences for the members of the "insurance policy" plot and faux special counsel witch hunt against Trump from 2016. However, it is just conceivable it will be discredited enough to not have any force against Republicans either and reach some kind of perverse balance.

PearlJammin said:

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She was lying and he exposed her lying.

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I do not disagree. But the Senate does a horrible job of hammering these individuals when they hide behind an excuse of incompetence. THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE SPYING AND ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE. "I didn't know" - complete BS. Their only job is to know what they are signing.

The country will not survive with a two tiered justice system, and the precedent this sets is terrifying. Meanwhile, madam Lindsey is wearing kid gloves all damn day.

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I agree where is the righteous indignation, hurled insults, railing, finger pointing and outright accusatory attitude and tone against these folks for doing actual wrong. Where is all that attitude that's absolutely used by the left while falsely accusing their side !

There's a very concerning lack of passion and commitment consistently shown by Republican Members in their methods of questioning and exacting answers in the pursuit of true justice. It's disturbing and disheartening to see them so complacent while being squarely on the right,side of the law and attacking like a bunch of wimps, It's especially maddening given that they're constantly so, doggedly and consistently attacked in such a differing manner by the Dems, even when the Dems have little or no just cause substaniating the bogus legal attacks and accusations they perputrate upon them and their party members.

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I agree where is the righteous indignation, hurled insults, railing, finger pointing and outright accusatory attitude and tone against these folks for doing actual wrong. Where is all that attitude that's absolutely used by the left while falsely accusing their side !

There's a very concerning lack of passion and commitment consistently shown by Republican Members in their methods of questioning and exacting answers in the pursuit of true justice. It's distrubing and disheartening to see them so complacent while being squarely on the right,side of the law and attacking like a bunch of wimps, It's especially maddening given that they're constantly so, doggedly and consistently attacked in such a differing manner by the Dems, even when the Dems have little or no just cause substaniating the bogus legal attacks and accusations they perputrate upon them and their party members.

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And right there, though it should be on many other threads, is the best possible summation and rebuttal of all the carping of NeverTrumpers and "concerned moderates" about how so many have tossed any criticism of Trump's bombastic and abrasive manner overboard, and continue to favor him. Because before him, with few exceptions, Republican had become synonymous with impotence and `lies down' to be swept aside. The 2008 and 2012 elections even look almost like arranged to just toss it (though remain convinced 2008 was unwinnable anyway).

The reason Trump's off handle words and statements do not move, is because his actions are generally the ones that are wanted, the policies that are wanted. The italics is what he at least, does not do usually.

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PearlJammin said:

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aggiehawg said:

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She was lying and he exposed her lying.

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I do not disagree. But the Senate does a horrible job of hammering these individuals when they hide behind an excuse of incompetence. THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE SPYING AND ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE. "I didn't know" - complete BS. Their only job is to know what they are signing.

The country will not survive with a two tiered justice system, and the precedent this sets is terrifying. Meanwhile, madam Lindsey is wearing kid gloves all damn day.

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The Senate is not set up to allow for any type of proper examination of any witness before it. Neither is the House.

There was something else happening today. Yates lied, demonstrably lied repeatedly today. That could and likely will prove useful.

My biggest fear is more that Barr/Durham will be held back by fearful political advisors of Trump at the moment and tread more carefully.

My faith in Barr's sober legal analysis and judgment is largely unwavering. Brilliant legal mind, wastes few words and when he mentions something, it is very meaningful. Conventional wisdom would be that Lindsay wouldn't hold this hearing with Yates if Barr hadn't okayed it, implying she's somehow in the clear.

As Wendy Rhoades told Chuck, "Flip the script." (Billions reference.)

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sorry (it's been a long day)...so she may possibly be "in the clear" legally but can lie repeatedly to the senate?

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sorry (it's been a long day)...so she may possibly be "in the clear" legally but can lie repeatedly to the senate?

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My suggestion is that there are more than one way to skin a cat, so to speak.

The best lawyers I have ever known and seen in action routinely did rope-a-dope with...wait for it...other lawyers. Original complaint was over a conflict of interest for a particular widely known law firm but the suit itself didn't name the law firm as a defendant.............until they filed an answer on behalf of the putative defendant.

Brilliance.

They settled before trial...as in the night before trial. Tens of millions.

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PearlJammin said:

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aggiehawg said:

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She was lying and he exposed her lying.

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I do not disagree. But the Senate does a horrible job of hammering these individuals when they hide behind an excuse of incompetence. THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE SPYING AND ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE. "I didn't know" - complete BS. Their only job is to know what they are signing.

The country will not survive with a two tiered justice system, and the precedent this sets is terrifying. Meanwhile, madam Lindsey is wearing kid gloves all damn day.

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I agree where is the righteous indignation, hurled insults, railing, finger pointing and outright accusatory attitude and tone against these folks for doing actual wrong. Where is all that attitude that's absolutely used by the left while falsely accusing their side !

There's a very concerning lack of passion and commitment consistently shown by Republican Members in their methods of questioning and exacting answers in the pursuit of true justice. It's disturbing and disheartening to see them so complacent while being squarely on the right,side of the law and attacking like a bunch of wimps, It's especially maddening given that they're constantly so, doggedly and consistently attacked in such a differing manner by the Dems, even when the Dems have little or no just cause substaniating the bogus legal attacks and accusations they perputrate upon them and their party members.

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A much more eloquent illustration of my thoughts on this. Thank you.

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I dont buy it

I feel like this is a feeble attempt to restore faith in the institution and process

Color me skeptical

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We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing. color me shocked

I hope Yates is being setup for the Flynn treatment, I'd love her to get sent upstate for lying to the FBI. Perhaps too poetic.

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Trying to set the narrative before the hammer comes down. I sure hope that POS not only gets disbarred but gets thrown in jail for his antics.

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Part of me knows Weissmann has a book to sell and needs to keep his profile higher and this is one way to get facetime on cable news.

But another part of me believes a person who knew they were innocent of any wrongdoing wouldn't care if Durham/Barr did anything before the election as opposed to after because what difference would it make? IOW, what Weissmann is complaining of is that he knows there is a distinct possibility it will have an effect on the election.

Soo from that assumption what could it be that Weissmann is so afraid of? And why now? This goes to Barr's revelations about Bash's investigation into the unmaskings and outside contractors accessing NSA metadata. That's what is worrying Weissman, in my view.

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But another part of me believes a person who knew they were innocent of any wrongdoing wouldn't care if Durham/Barr did anything before the election as opposed to after because what difference would it make?

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I disagree, Mrs. Hawg. Weissmann, especially, knows all the dirty tricks that the gov't can do to an innocent man. Guilty or not he should be worried.

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So Schiff, Nadler, MSM (DNC) accuse and essentially impeach the President of Abuse of Power and throw in "obstruction of justice" when the President complained and made people aware how every single member of Mueller's team was an open and proud Democrat on a "witch hunt".

But now that Durham is investigating the other administration where there is a lot more smoke billowing up with every single passing day, they get to openly try to obstruct Durham and Co, saying they are "politicizing this investigation". These people really are the most shameless people on the planet.

When should people start asking Biden, "if you were to win, would you allow Durham to complete his investigation?" If not, according the the democrats logic that's obstruction of justice and an impeachable offense.

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I'm reminded of the people who put Sudan, Venezuela, and Libya on the UN Human rights council, not to mention Angola, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bahrain.

As a casual reminder, no Democratic Senator/representative has advocated withholding any funding to the UN that I am aware of.

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But another part of me believes a person who knew they were innocent of any wrongdoing wouldn't care if Durham/Barr did anything before the election as opposed to after because what difference would it make?

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I disagree, Mrs. Hawg. Weissmann, especially, knows all the dirty tricks that the gov't can do to an innocent man. Guilty or not he should be worried.

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Fair point. He was a very dirty prosecutor and it would make sense that he would accuse Barr of perhaps intending to do the unethical and illegal things he did.

But my argument is more nuanced here. After watching Sally Yates' tapdancing routine yesterday, the fig leaf of national security is getting smaller and smaller. And where Weissmann connects to this has to do with the members of Crossfire Hurricane (and asundry investigations attached thereto) came wholesale on board Team Mueller from the get-go.

They brought all of the stuff gathered by the two hops from Carter Page's FISA warrant. No one asked Yates about that yesterday, much to my disappointment. But the odds that Team Mueller also had access to info gleaned from the contractor's illegal use of the NSA database are also high.

I found that really frustrating when Yates kept saying "former" campaign advisor. Once they had a FISA warrant, that did not matter, correct? His communications with anyone, and their communications become retroactively searchable. I'm surprised none of the Republican senators pointed that out,

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I found that really frustrating when Yates kept saying "former" campaign advisor. Once they had a FISA warrant, that did not matter, correct? His communications with anyone, and their communications become retroactively searchable. I'm surprised none of the Republican senators pointed that out,

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Exactly. The searches under a Title I FISA can go forward and backwards in time. So to recap, Carter Page was under a full blown FISA warrant from mid October 2016 until September 2017. Yates signed off on the original FISA application and the first renewal. Dana Boente signed the second renewal and Rosenstein the third and final renewal.

That's a whole lot of data on a whole lot of people.

again, how is this not worse than Nixon using the CIA to spy? No cover-up, just play dumb?

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This sounds a lot like he's encouraging and conspiring to obstruct justice to me. Tack on another charge for him please, Barr.

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Damn close. Particularly if he has someone or someone(s) in mind to create phony whistle blower complaints again.

Durham has been running a tight ship, few leaks so far. That means a small highly trusted team. Any so-called whistle-blower would presumably be on the outside perimeters of that team and not truly privy to all of the information.

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again, how is this not worse than Nixon using the CIA to spy? No cover-up, just play dumb?

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The Nixon tapes proved that Nixon used racial slurs and stereotypes in his Oval Office conversations thereby condemning him to lowest level of hell according to the sacred scriptures of the SJW/Wokeistani faith. The uncorroborated claims of Omarosa notwithstanding, DJT hasn't been proven to use racial slurs. However, many Wokeistani mullahs have issues fatwahs that equate the term "****hole country" with a racial slur.

HTH

So all of these scumbags(Yates, RR, etc) are saying "It wasn't my fault, I knew nothing". And looking like they were incompetent.

So unless Durham can prove that they were conspiring or did it on purpose, there is no crime there, correct? So if Durham doesn't have some kind of background communication between all the parties, or some other kind of incriminating evidence, this could just get chalked up and negligence and nothing happens?

I've seen many intelligent and wealthy people claim stupidity in court. Stupidity is not against the law and many juries are not sophisticated enough to see through the ruse.

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So all of these scumbags(Yates, RR, etc) are saying "It wasn't my fault, I knew nothing". And looking like they were incompetent.

So unless Durham can prove that they were conspiring or did it on purpose, there is no crime there, correct? So if Durham doesn't have some kind of background communication between all the parties, or some other kind of incriminating evidence, this could just get chalked up and negligence and nothing happens?

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Unfortunately, claiming stupidity and incompetence works for government employees. Doesn't work for us plebeians however.

Here's to hoping there's a weak link in there somewhere who has other criminal issues that are used to leverage someone to squeal in exchange for immunity.

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There's ALWAYS one!

Even the best conspiracies contain a weak link, and this one likely has several. Yes, they're all true believers of TDS and hate, not to mention their belief in White Hat status, but the ones who have a family will be the first to crack, IMO.

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So all of these scumbags(Yates, RR, etc) are saying "It wasn't my fault, I knew nothing". And looking like they were incompetent.

So unless Durham can prove that they were conspiring or did it on purpose, there is no crime there, correct? So if Durham doesn't have some kind of background communication between all the parties, or some other kind of incriminating evidence, this could just get chalked up and negligence and nothing happens?

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Unfortunately, claiming stupidity and incompetence works for government employees. Doesn't work for us plebeians however.

Here's to hoping there's a weak link in there somewhere who has other criminal issues that are used to leverage someone to squeal in exchange for immunity.

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You would think they could be charged with defrauding the government then, for accepting money to do a job they were incapable of or unwilling to do. I suspect you would be wrong though.

The Sergeant Schultz defense might work for the "I just signed it" people, but someone prepared the document, and that person did commit a crime. Whether they can be pressured to get to the top remains to be seen.

I don't see Comey accepting any blame. If the pressure gets put on him, I'm certain he'll crumble.

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I found that really frustrating when Yates kept saying "former" campaign advisor. Once they had a FISA warrant, that did not matter, correct? His communications with anyone, and their communications become retroactively searchable. I'm surprised none of the Republican senators pointed that out,

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Perhaps Barr / Durham conveyed specific instructions to not pursue that line of questioning? I would have expected Cruz to lance that boil otherwise...

Drew Holden takes us down memory lane of all the lies told by Dems and MSM. Here's an example:

And another:

Let's not forget MSM: