Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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TexAgs91 said:

This may or may not be a legit synopsis of the Bruce Ohr testimony. It has several interesting nuggets if true.
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Um he just now eluded that one of the [FISA] judges was in on it or had full knowledge.
Dems were quick to object



Kind of hard for the Democrats to object when there were no Democrats in the hearing. Just seven Republicans.


Honest question, why weren't they present? Were they not allowed? I legitimately don't know.
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TexAgs91 said:

leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

This may or may not be a legit synopsis of the Bruce Ohr testimony. It has several interesting nuggets if true.
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Um he just now eluded that one of the [FISA] judges was in on it or had full knowledge.
Dems were quick to object



Kind of hard for the Democrats to object when there were no Democrats in the hearing. Just seven Republicans.
According to the wall of text (19:38:55) there's 6 dems that come and go. Not all present at the same time. No staff in room. Closed setting.
Meadows
Ratcliffe
Gowdy
Jordan
Issa
Biggs
Gaetz

No Democrats
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leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

This may or may not be a legit synopsis of the Bruce Ohr testimony. It has several interesting nuggets if true.
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Um he just now eluded that one of the [FISA] judges was in on it or had full knowledge.
Dems were quick to object



Kind of hard for the Democrats to object when there were no Democrats in the hearing. Just seven Republicans.
So you're saying the Dems already knew what his testimony would be?
Can I go to sleep Looch?
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leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

This may or may not be a legit synopsis of the Bruce Ohr testimony. It has several interesting nuggets if true.
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Um he just now eluded that one of the [FISA] judges was in on it or had full knowledge.
Dems were quick to object



Kind of hard for the Democrats to object when there were no Democrats in the hearing. Just seven Republicans.
According to the wall of text (19:38:55) there's 6 dems that come and go. Not all present at the same time. No staff in room. Closed setting.
Meadows
Ratcliffe
Gowdy
Jordan
Issa
Biggs
Gaetz

No Democrats
You sure that's right? Seems like something regarding such an important issue would be worth their time.
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TexAgs91 said:

leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

This may or may not be a legit synopsis of the Bruce Ohr testimony. It has several interesting nuggets if true.
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Um he just now eluded that one of the [FISA] judges was in on it or had full knowledge.
Dems were quick to object



Kind of hard for the Democrats to object when there were no Democrats in the hearing. Just seven Republicans.
According to the wall of text (19:38:55) there's 6 dems that come and go. Not all present at the same time. No staff in room. Closed setting.
Meadows
Ratcliffe
Gowdy
Jordan
Issa
Biggs
Gaetz

No Democrats
You sure that's right? Seems like something regarding such an important issue would be worth their time.
If they are there to hear something damning, they'd have to comment and/or react.
They also don't want to give this investigation bi-partisan legitimacy by attending.

"I wasn't there to hear it, sorry, can't comment other than to say that the Republicans are doing their best to shoot the messenger with regards to their scandal ridden President. Making a villain out of the US DoJ is not part of our creed as lawmakers."
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TexAgs91 said:

leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

leftcoastaggie said:

TexAgs91 said:

This may or may not be a legit synopsis of the Bruce Ohr testimony. It has several interesting nuggets if true.
i.e.
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Um he just now eluded that one of the [FISA] judges was in on it or had full knowledge.
Dems were quick to object



Kind of hard for the Democrats to object when there were no Democrats in the hearing. Just seven Republicans.
According to the wall of text (19:38:55) there's 6 dems that come and go. Not all present at the same time. No staff in room. Closed setting.
Meadows
Ratcliffe
Gowdy
Jordan
Issa
Biggs
Gaetz

No Democrats
You sure that's right? Seems like something regarding such an important issue would be worth their time.
It was a joint hearing conducted by the Judiciary Committee and the Oversight Committee. Only seven republicans filtered in and out during the eight hour session. Mainly some freedom caucus members and a couple others who think their job in congresses to carry the president's water. 32 other Republican committee members didn't think it was an important enough issue to waste their time. Must all be deep state members or part of the swamp obviously.

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The swamp is freaking huge if you haven't noticed.
Most not there because of holiday and campaigns.
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leftcoastaggie said:


It was a joint hearing conducted by the Judiciary Committee and the Oversight Committee. Only seven republicans filtered in and out during the eight hour session. Mainly some freedom caucus members and a couple others who think their job in congresses to carry the president's water. 32 other Republican committee members didn't think it was an important enough issue to waste their time. Must all be deep state members or part of the swamp obviously.
Because GOP members were already there. Keeping with the naive facade, I'm surprised this isn't important for dems
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I am only reporting what I heard in a news segment today. Maybe they misstated it.
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Eight GOP members of the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees attended: Reps. Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Trey Gowdy, John Ratcliffe, Darrell Issa, Matt Gaetz and Andy Biggs. No Democratic members were on hand, but staffers of both parties attended.
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If it was open to the public you'd be sure to see those weasels there.
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Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., told reporters that Ohr had multiple "handlers" that he passed on the dossier to at the FBI, but Issa declined to name them.

"There's quite a shocking list of names," he said.


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Eight GOP members of the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees attended: Reps. Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Trey Gowdy, John Ratcliffe, Darrell Issa, Matt Gaetz and Andy Biggs. No Democratic members were on hand, but staffers of both parties attended.

Who was the 8th?
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RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
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etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
LOL. Get back to me when Steele was actually gathering "intel" as opposed to circular sourcing from FBI/CIA assets used to entrap anyone within spitting distance of Trump on more than a photo-op.
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etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
Even after they terminated him for lying to the FBI about his contacts with the press? Mike Flynn lying to the FBI is the crime of the century. Steele lying to the FBI is no big deal.
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Boom!!!! Exactly where my mind was going with that Aggiehawg.
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It's just a couple of drive by trolls, got bored and decided to stop by
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RoscoePColtrane said:

It's just a couple of drive by trolls, got bored and decided to stop by
I would prefer that this thread be kept separate from the Q thread, though. Any reddit, 4 chan, or 8 chann stuff needs to be posted there, not here.

Do you agree?
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etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.

You mean the "intel" that Hillary paid for to get a FISA warrant and spy on the Trump campaign? The same "intel" that was largely made up to damage Trump and landed a 30 year decorated General in jail and bankrupt?

Yeah, by all means get "info" from that guy.
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aggiehawg said:

RoscoePColtrane said:

It's just a couple of drive by trolls, got bored and decided to stop by
I would prefer that this thread be kept separate from the Q thread, though. Any reddit, 4 chan, or 8 chann stuff needs to be posted there, not here.

Do you agree?
Absolutely
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aggiehawg said:

etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
LOL. Get back to me when Steele was actually gathering "intel" as opposed to circular sourcing from FBI/CIA assets used to entrap anyone within spitting distance of Trump on more than a photo-op.
I haven't seen any credible evidence of that. Even if it were true, it would be stupid for a U.S. intelligence unit to stop using a foreign source who has provided valuable information in the past. It doesn't matter if the source is a retired MI6 agent like Steele or a sketchy con man / illegal arms dealer with a checkered criminal past like Felix Sater or a truly murderous bad guy like a Mexican drug cartel overlord who runs a drug-smuggling operation. If the drug cartel guy has given info that led to the arrest / outing of terrorists or spies, keep using him.
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VegasAg86 said:

etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
Even after they terminated him for lying to the FBI about his contacts with the press? Mike Flynn lying to the FBI is the crime of the century. Steele lying to the FBI is no big deal.
See my answer to aggiehawg above.
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Guys, have we discussed Huber not talking to the people with direct knowledge of Uranium 1, HRC e-mails, and Russia, Russia, Russia (except the Clinton version)?

I only bring this up because I have serious, nearly 100%, doubts about Huber doing a decent investigation, not to mention "evaluation" that he said he would do. If he hasn't spoken to the folks involved, then he's bascially writing a list of do's and don't s in law.

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etcetera said:

VegasAg86 said:

etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
Even after they terminated him for lying to the FBI about his contacts with the press? Mike Flynn lying to the FBI is the crime of the century. Steele lying to the FBI is no big deal.
See my answer to aggiehawg above.


Big detail. The FBI and DOJ were intentionally using information they knew was not true to overthrow an elected POTUS. In time of war it is called treason. This was sedition.
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etcetera said:

VegasAg86 said:

etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
Even after they terminated him for lying to the FBI about his contacts with the press? Mike Flynn lying to the FBI is the crime of the century. Steele lying to the FBI is no big deal.
See my answer to aggiehawg above.


So lying to the FBI is acceptable if you're trying to destroy Trump, but unacceptable if you're part of Trump's team. Good to know.
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VegasAg86 said:

etcetera said:

VegasAg86 said:

etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
Even after they terminated him for lying to the FBI about his contacts with the press? Mike Flynn lying to the FBI is the crime of the century. Steele lying to the FBI is no big deal.
See my answer to aggiehawg above.
So lying to the FBI is acceptable if you're trying to destroy Trump, but unacceptable if you're part of Trump's team. Good to know.
So if tomorrow Chris Steele calls one of his FBI counterintelligence unit contacts and says he has four different sources who have given him pieces of info about a joint effort between Russia and Syria to smuggle chemical weapons to a terrorist group that is planning an attack on a US military base in the ME, should the FBI tell him to get lost??? Or should the FBI meet with him and look at the info???
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etcetera said:

VegasAg86 said:

etcetera said:

VegasAg86 said:

etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
Even after they terminated him for lying to the FBI about his contacts with the press? Mike Flynn lying to the FBI is the crime of the century. Steele lying to the FBI is no big deal.
See my answer to aggiehawg above.
So lying to the FBI is acceptable if you're trying to destroy Trump, but unacceptable if you're part of Trump's team. Good to know.
So if tomorrow Chris Steele calls one of his FBI counterintelligence unit contacts and says he has four different sources who have given him pieces of info about a joint effort between Russia and Syria to smuggle chemical weapons to a terrorist group that is planning an attack on a US military base in the ME, should the FBI tell him to get lost??? Or should the FBI meet with him and look at the info???
But he's a political source who sided with Russian agents to deliberately affect a US election. He chose his fate.
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Well seeing the fact that they can't even do their job when people tell them a kid is going to shoot up a school before it happens I'm not sure they should be trusted with that information. Wouldn't you agree? Or you just trying to prove a point that you don't care about the government being corrupt as long as it's not you and your family?
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etcetera said:

aggiehawg said:

etcetera said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


If a guy like Chris Steele is passing intel information to the CIA and to the FBI's CI unit, then continuing to use him as an intel source is the correct thing to do.
LOL. Get back to me when Steele was actually gathering "intel" as opposed to circular sourcing from FBI/CIA assets used to entrap anyone within spitting distance of Trump on more than a photo-op.
I haven't seen any credible evidence of that. Even if it were true, it would be stupid for a U.S. intelligence unit to stop using a foreign source who has provided valuable information in the past. It doesn't matter if the source is a retired MI6 agent like Steele or a sketchy con man / illegal arms dealer with a checkered criminal past like Felix Sater or a truly murderous bad guy like a Mexican drug cartel overlord who runs a drug-smuggling operation. If the drug cartel guy has given info that led to the arrest / outing of terrorists or spies, keep using him.
So you have admitted that the FBI/DOJ repeatedly lied to the FISA court on the renewals on the Carter Page FISA warrant. Hint: need probable cause for each renewal. Yet he's never been charged.

Because the only reason, as you so clearly stated, to use a burned source again is for espionage and counterrorism, narco-terrorism.

Steele was burned as a source by his own actions and those of Glenn Simpson. He had no intel and hasn't been in Moscow for over 20 years. He was paid to tell his client what they wanted to hear. FBI/CIA set the stories up for him, as Strzok said in his text, that he was no longer using Patriot Act type of surveillance but using CHS info after Admiral Rogers shut down the illegal use of the NSA metadata.

And I'll wager you have zero idea what I am referring to.
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No he doesn't know what you're talking about. He just wanders over here to argue.
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Good grief.
solid rebuttal
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Good grief.

This is a fairly serious thread where replies typically have substance. Follow suit, or exit the thread.
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Just flag the lib troll. He is trying to get this thread nuked, just like 2 Teas almost did.
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fasthorses05 said:

Guys, have we discussed Huber not talking to the people with direct knowledge of Uranium 1, HRC e-mails, and Russia, Russia, Russia (except the Clinton version)?

I only bring this up because I have serious, nearly 100%, doubts about Huber doing a decent investigation, not to mention "evaluation" that he said he would do. If he hasn't spoken to the folks involved, then he's bascially writing a list of do's and don't s in law.


I'll attempt to clear up my comment by saying that Huber hasn't interviewed either of the Ohr's, or Victoria Toening's client, who was directly involved in Uranium 1.

If that's the case, and it's 9 months later, the Huber doesn't appear to have completed any meaningful work that supposedly Sessions asked him to do. Those three people likely have plenty of knowledge about both investigations. I now expect Huber to have a Horowitz moment on the Clinton e-mails.

Anyone have information on this, or insight?
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