https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/dramatic-expansion-russia-probe-senate-investigators

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...For instance, the chairmen demanded records from Pompeo's department concerning:

• Clinton acolyte and former Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, who has admitted he received and provided copies of the Steele dossier
• former Clinton associates Cody Shearer and Sidney Blumenthal. Shearer, a relative of Talbott, wrote a dossier similar to Steele's that was provided to the former MI-6 agent.
• former State officials Victoria Nuland, Jonathan Winer and Kathleen Kavalec, all of whom had contact with Steele as he was developing his dossier.

The senators also made their most sweeping demands for records from CIA, including any information the spy agency provided the FBI concerning the credibility of Steele as a human source......

The lawmakers also pressed CIA for any records of requests for assistance from foreign allies in the Russia collusion probe.

Specifically, they requested "all records related to assistance requests about the persons or conduct at issue in the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation, whether before or after the opening of the investigation, to the following foreign governments: a. Australia; b. Israel; and c. the United Kingdom," their letter to Haspel stated.

CIA also was pressed for records concerning the conduct of former Obama-era director John Brennan, including his contact about the Russia probe with fired FBI Director James Comey and then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid as well as any travel he took to Ukraine, Russia's neighbor.......

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One would hope Durham has already seen this material.

I am still in disbelief that with how spread it apparently was that someone didn't stand up and say this isn't right.

Well you did have Admiral Rogers but the rest of the Obama government was so corrupt and able to ruin people that it made it too dangerous to be righteous.

drcrinum said:

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https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/dramatic-expansion-russia-probe-senate-investigators

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...For instance, the chairmen demanded records from Pompeo's department concerning:

• Clinton acolyte and former Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, who has admitted he received and provided copies of the Steele dossier
• former Clinton associates Cody Shearer and Sidney Blumenthal. Shearer, a relative of Talbott, wrote a dossier similar to Steele's that was provided to the former MI-6 agent.
• former State officials Victoria Nuland, Jonathan Winer and Kathleen Kavalec, all of whom had contact with Steele as he was developing his dossier.

The senators also made their most sweeping demands for records from CIA, including any information the spy agency provided the FBI concerning the credibility of Steele as a human source......

The lawmakers also pressed CIA for any records of requests for assistance from foreign allies in the Russia collusion probe.

Specifically, they requested "all records related to assistance requests about the persons or conduct at issue in the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation, whether before or after the opening of the investigation, to the following foreign governments: a. Australia; b. Israel; and c. the United Kingdom," their letter to Haspel stated.

CIA also was pressed for records concerning the conduct of former Obama-era director John Brennan, including his contact about the Russia probe with fired FBI Director James Comey and then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid as well as any travel he took to Ukraine, Russia's neighbor.......

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One would hope Durham has already seen this material.

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This shooting gallery may not be open much longer. It's a target rich environment for guilty as sin actors and Durham needs to put the crosshairs on at least a couple of targets, take a shot, an nail their hides to wall. If not to get cooperation from others who want a deal then to restore confidence in the public that they are not going to be subjected to Stasi tactics by corrupt DoJ and NSA staff and Presidents.

Well crap.

Too busy smelling their own farts

"Other means?" The existing body of law doesn't seem to even allow for such.

Someone on here, I forget whom, once wrote the most prescient comment to date and I think it's important to remind everyone again:

The swamp protects itself at all costs.

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"Other means?" The existing body of law doesn't seem to even allow for such.

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Since a writ of mandamus is an extraordinary remedy, it should only be used when there is no other remedy. The argument here is that Sullivan never actually ruled on the DOJ's motion to dismiss. Had he ruled denying the motion, then Flynn could appeal using the regular appellate process.

Again that's the argument but considering all of Sullivan's other actions in this case, pretty small fig leaf to reverse the panel's ruling.

This is all a pile of crap.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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"Other means?" The existing body of law doesn't seem to even allow for such.

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Since a writ of mandamus is an extraordinary remedy, it should only be used when there is no other remedy. The argument here is that Sullivan never actually ruled on the DOJ's motion to dismiss. Had he ruled denying the motion, then Flynn could appeal using the regular appellate process.

Again that's the argument but considering all of Sullivan's other actions in this case, pretty small fig leaf to reverse the panel's ruling.

This is all a pile of crap.

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The bolded makes no sense to my admittedly non-legal mind.

Following this line of thinking, a writ a mandamus could never be applied period, because it's not necessary before the ruling, and if there is a ruling then you should use the regular appellate process. And if it is that straight forward then they are calling the judges that rendered the previous decision straight up idiots. They're not just wrong, they are wrong on a pretty basic point.

The argument itself strikes me as the kind of thing a kid in a poly sci class that envisions himself the next great litigator (once he actually goes to law school and learns stuff) would say to argue with the lesser minds in his class. "You ended a sentence in a preposition, therefore your entire argument is invalid and morally repugnant!"

Disgusting.

So basically we have a "judge" that is acting as prosecutor now? The liberals have won yet again. Rule of law. Hahaha

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Why is Katsus not participating?

Maybe he recused himself? I think he was deputy counsel to Trump at one time.

Probably because he was working for the White House in 2017 before he was appointed to the DC circuit.

Wonder if the DOJ can apply for its own writ of mandamus now.

This is insanity. Watching the rule of law in this country be destroyed.

Flynn must have the goods on everyone.

Rockdoc said:

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So basically we have a "judge" that is acting as prosecutor now? The liberals have won yet again. Rule of law. Hahaha

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I'm betting he still dismisses the case once it is all said and done.

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aggiehawg said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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"Other means?" The existing body of law doesn't seem to even allow for such.

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Since a writ of mandamus is an extraordinary remedy, it should only be used when there is no other remedy. The argument here is that Sullivan never actually ruled on the DOJ's motion to dismiss. Had he ruled denying the motion, then Flynn could appeal using the regular appellate process.

Again that's the argument but considering all of Sullivan's other actions in this case, pretty small fig leaf to reverse the panel's ruling.

This is all a pile of crap.

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The bolded makes no sense to my admittedly non-legal mind.

Following this line of thinking, a writ a mandamus could never be applied period, because it's not necessary before the ruling, and if there is a ruling then you should use the regular appellate process. And if it is that straight forward then they are calling the judges that rendered the previous decision straight up idiots. They're not just wrong, they are wrong on a pretty basic point.

The argument itself strikes me as the kind of thing a kid in a poly sci class that envisions himself the next great litigator (once he actually goes to law school and learns stuff) would say to argue with the lesser minds in his class. "You ended a sentence in a preposition, therefore your entire argument is invalid and morally repugnant!"

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It is a remnant of common law. Equity requires an exhaustion of other remedies at law. Ticky-tack procedural reason for granting the rehearing in my assessment but nobody on the DC Circuit asked for my opinion.

When all of this DC Circuit Court stuff started, blindey and I discussed the abnormal procedural issues present could complicate things. Our concerns were apparently justified.

The old saying that bad facts make for bad case law applies just as equally to messed up procedural issues.

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Rockdoc said:

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So basically we have a "judge" that is acting as prosecutor now? The liberals have won yet again. Rule of law. Hahaha

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I'm betting he still dismisses the case once it is all said and done.

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Yes, but delay tactic successful.

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Wonder if the DOJ can apply for its own writ of mandamus now.

This is insanity. Watching the rule of law in this country be destroyed.

Flynn must have the goods on everyone.

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They can but it would just slow things down further.

aggiehawg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Wonder if the DOJ can apply for its own writ of mandamus now.

This is insanity. Watching the rule of law in this country be destroyed.

Flynn must have the goods on everyone.

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They can but it would just slow things down further.

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I know. It's scary where we are at now with this case.

Flynn doesn't deserve this. F Sullivan and all the corrupt trash backing him.

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aggiehawg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Wonder if the DOJ can apply for its own writ of mandamus now.

This is insanity. Watching the rule of law in this country be destroyed.

Flynn must have the goods on everyone.

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They can but it would just slow things down further.

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I know. It's scary where we are at now with this case.

Flynn doesn't deserve this. F Sullivan and all the corrupt trash backing him.

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So does this mean we can take the blindfold off of Lady Justice's eyes officially now? And maybe put one of her fingers on the scale?

so even our courts are completely corrupt at this point. how long do we wait before the guns start coming out?

Not to put too fine a point on it here but by granting the rehearing for the middle of August it could be late September by the time all of the opinions are written and a decision made, possibly even later.

aggiehawg said:

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Not to put too fine a point on it here but by granting the rehearing for the middle of August it could be late September by the time all of the opinions are written and a decision made, possibly even later.

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So November 4th...

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Not to put too fine a point on it here but by granting the rehearing for the middle of August it could be late September by the time all of the opinions are written and a decision made, possibly even later.

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Isn't there any way to appeal directly to the Supreme Court?

So who will be the prosecutor of record when this kicks off? (I may not be asking the question properly)

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aggiehawg said:

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Not to put too fine a point on it here but by granting the rehearing for the middle of August it could be late September by the time all of the opinions are written and a decision made, possibly even later.

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Isn't there any way to appeal directly to the Supreme Court?

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They wouldn't agree to hear the case anyway not before the rehearing, in my view. Besides, again the procedural abnormalities provide SCOTUS several avenues to punt and not grant cert.

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Do you SERIOUSLY trust Roberts on this one?

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I don't know. Just asking if this could be appealed directly to the Supreme Court. Just the legality of DOJ's dropping charges.

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aggiehawg said:

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Not to put too fine a point on it here but by granting the rehearing for the middle of August it could be late September by the time all of the opinions are written and a decision made, possibly even later.

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Isn't there any way to appeal directly to the Supreme Court?

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They wouldn't agree to hear the case anyway not before the rehearing, in my view. Besides, again the procedural abnormalities provide SCOTUS several avenues to punt and not grant cert.

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Thanks for the response.

Hope Powell and the DOJ come up with something to end this travesty.