Archbishop Coakley is one of the more conservative bishops and very strong on maintaining Catholic Orthodoxy on the LGBTQ, Homosexuality, Blasphemy and Abortion issues. He has shown to align with the new understanding of the death penalty criticizing the execution of an inmate as an assault against the imago dei.

Bishop Flores is seen as a much more progressive Bishop, with his more public statements championing the plight of migrants and the epidemic of gun violence in the country. As the Bishop of Brownsville, TX and coming from the RGV himself it makes sense that migratory issues would be of great import to his flock. He posts on X under the handle "amigo de Frodo" and is actually one of the few progressive Bishops I don't mind too terribly as he does seem to be a genuine shepherd and devout Catholic whose viewpoints are flavored by his upbringing and formation. I feel about him like I felt about the early years of the Pope Francis papacy.

Sounds great about Coakley. Do you know if Flores' progressivism extends beyond immigration?

Quo Vadis? said:

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Archbishop Coakley is one of the more conservative bishops and very strong on maintaining Catholic Orthodoxy on the LGBTQ, Homosexuality, Blasphemy and Abortion issues. He has shown to align with the new understanding of the death penalty criticizing the execution of an inmate as an assault against the imago dei.

Bishop Flores is seen as a much more progressive Bishop, with his more public statements championing the plight of migrants and the epidemic of gun violence in the country. As the Bishop of Brownsville, TX and coming from the RGV himself it makes sense that migratory issues would be of great import to his flock. He posts on X under the handle "amigo de Frodo" and is actually one of the few progressive Bishops I don't mind too terribly as he does seem to be a genuine shepherd and devout Catholic whose viewpoints are flavored by his upbringing and formation. I feel about him like I felt about the early years of the Pope Francis papacy.

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Weren't you the one who said the Reformers should have been executed? And you are against the death penalty for criminals?
Respectfully, I am confused.

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Archbishop Coakley is one of the more conservative bishops and very strong on maintaining Catholic Orthodoxy on the LGBTQ, Homosexuality, Blasphemy and Abortion issues. He has shown to align with the new understanding of the death penalty criticizing the execution of an inmate as an assault against the imago dei.

Bishop Flores is seen as a much more progressive Bishop, with his more public statements championing the plight of migrants and the epidemic of gun violence in the country. As the Bishop of Brownsville, TX and coming from the RGV himself it makes sense that migratory issues would be of great import to his flock. He posts on X under the handle "amigo de Frodo" and is actually one of the few progressive Bishops I don't mind too terribly as he does seem to be a genuine shepherd and devout Catholic whose viewpoints are flavored by his upbringing and formation. I feel about him like I felt about the early years of the Pope Francis papacy.

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Weren't you the one who said the Reformers should have been executed? And you are against the death penalty for criminals?
Respectfully, I am confused.

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I am not against the death penalty for criminals. Abp Coakley and Bp Flores are

Quo Vadis? said:

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dermdoc said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Archbishop Coakley is one of the more conservative bishops and very strong on maintaining Catholic Orthodoxy on the LGBTQ, Homosexuality, Blasphemy and Abortion issues. He has shown to align with the new understanding of the death penalty criticizing the execution of an inmate as an assault against the imago dei.

Bishop Flores is seen as a much more progressive Bishop, with his more public statements championing the plight of migrants and the epidemic of gun violence in the country. As the Bishop of Brownsville, TX and coming from the RGV himself it makes sense that migratory issues would be of great import to his flock. He posts on X under the handle "amigo de Frodo" and is actually one of the few progressive Bishops I don't mind too terribly as he does seem to be a genuine shepherd and devout Catholic whose viewpoints are flavored by his upbringing and formation. I feel about him like I felt about the early years of the Pope Francis papacy.

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Weren't you the one who said the Reformers should have been executed? And you are against the death penalty for criminals?
Respectfully, I am confused.

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I am not against the death penalty for criminals. Abp Coakley and Bp Flores are

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So the Reformers were criminals for having different theology?

Quo Vadis? said:

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dermdoc said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Archbishop Coakley is one of the more conservative bishops and very strong on maintaining Catholic Orthodoxy on the LGBTQ, Homosexuality, Blasphemy and Abortion issues. He has shown to align with the new understanding of the death penalty criticizing the execution of an inmate as an assault against the imago dei.

Bishop Flores is seen as a much more progressive Bishop, with his more public statements championing the plight of migrants and the epidemic of gun violence in the country. As the Bishop of Brownsville, TX and coming from the RGV himself it makes sense that migratory issues would be of great import to his flock. He posts on X under the handle "amigo de Frodo" and is actually one of the few progressive Bishops I don't mind too terribly as he does seem to be a genuine shepherd and devout Catholic whose viewpoints are flavored by his upbringing and formation. I feel about him like I felt about the early years of the Pope Francis papacy.

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Weren't you the one who said the Reformers should have been executed? And you are against the death penalty for criminals?
Respectfully, I am confused.

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I am not against the death penalty for criminals. Abp Coakley and Bp Flores are

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So the Reformers were criminals for having different theology?

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They were worse than criminals, they tried to rupture the body of Christ and brought millions of souls with them

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Got it. Should I be burned at the stake for thinking the pope is a man just like you and me?
And if my theology differs from Catholic theology I should be executed? I am a Reformer.
Except for a difference of centuries, I am the same as them. Should I be executed?

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At their November General Assembly, the U.S. bishops approved the consecration of the United States to the Sacred Heart of Jesus on the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart in June 2026, as part of the Church’s commemoration of the 250th anniversary of the United States.

The initiative… pic.twitter.com/hQsIC0xdQL

— U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (@USCCB) November 11, 2025

Gathered in Baltimore, Maryland, for their annual Plenary Assembly, the bishops voted 215-8, with 7 abstaining, in favor of consecrating the nation at their next assembly, which will conclude on June 12, the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

https://catholicvote.org/bishops-to-consecrate-united-states-to-sacred-heart-for-nations-250th-anniversary

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I'm really puzzled that 8 voted against and another 7 abstained. What the heck?! Seriously?

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At their November General Assembly, the U.S. bishops approved the consecration of the United States to the Sacred Heart of Jesus on the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart in June 2026, as part of the Church’s commemoration of the 250th anniversary of the United States.

The initiative… pic.twitter.com/hQsIC0xdQL

— U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (@USCCB) November 11, 2025

Gathered in Baltimore, Maryland, for their annual Plenary Assembly, the bishops voted 215-8, with 7 abstaining, in favor of consecrating the nation at their next assembly, which will conclude on June 12, the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

https://catholicvote.org/bishops-to-consecrate-united-states-to-sacred-heart-for-nations-250th-anniversary

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I'm really puzzled that 8 voted against and another 7 abstained. What the heck?! Seriously?

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Thinking out loud, the Sacred Heart of Jesus is mainly a western devotion, so possibly the Eastern Catholic Eparchs, of whom there are around 16 I believe.

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Reasonable. Didn't think about that.

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At their November General Assembly, the U.S. bishops approved the consecration of the United States to the Sacred Heart of Jesus on the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart in June 2026, as part of the Church’s commemoration of the 250th anniversary of the United States.

The initiative… pic.twitter.com/hQsIC0xdQL

— U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (@USCCB) November 11, 2025

Gathered in Baltimore, Maryland, for their annual Plenary Assembly, the bishops voted 215-8, with 7 abstaining, in favor of consecrating the nation at their next assembly, which will conclude on June 12, the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

https://catholicvote.org/bishops-to-consecrate-united-states-to-sacred-heart-for-nations-250th-anniversary

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I'm really puzzled that 8 voted against and another 7 abstained. What the heck?! Seriously?

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Thinking out loud, the Sacred Heart of Jesus is mainly a western devotion, so possibly the Eastern Catholic Eparchs, of whom there are around 16 I believe.

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Reasonable. Didn't think about that.

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They've kind of got a catch-22, the words of Orientalum
ecclasiarum specifically caution them against supporting or adopting Latin practices so as to preserve their unique eastern identitities, BUT if that means you have to abstain or vote against consecrating the country to Jesus? Seems odd.

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Quo Vadis? said:

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dermdoc said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Archbishop Coakley is one of the more conservative bishops and very strong on maintaining Catholic Orthodoxy on the LGBTQ, Homosexuality, Blasphemy and Abortion issues. He has shown to align with the new understanding of the death penalty criticizing the execution of an inmate as an assault against the imago dei.

Bishop Flores is seen as a much more progressive Bishop, with his more public statements championing the plight of migrants and the epidemic of gun violence in the country. As the Bishop of Brownsville, TX and coming from the RGV himself it makes sense that migratory issues would be of great import to his flock. He posts on X under the handle "amigo de Frodo" and is actually one of the few progressive Bishops I don't mind too terribly as he does seem to be a genuine shepherd and devout Catholic whose viewpoints are flavored by his upbringing and formation. I feel about him like I felt about the early years of the Pope Francis papacy.

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Weren't you the one who said the Reformers should have been executed? And you are against the death penalty for criminals?
Respectfully, I am confused.

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I am not against the death penalty for criminals. Abp Coakley and Bp Flores are

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So the Reformers were criminals for having different theology?

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They were worse than criminals, they tried to rupture the body of Christ and brought millions of souls with them

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Got it. Should I be burned at the stake for thinking the pope is a man just like you and me?
And if my theology differs from Catholic theology I should be executed? I am a Reformer.
Except for a difference of centuries, I am the same as them. Should I be executed?

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I will answer for myself as a Roman Catholic. No. You are my separated brother in Christ. Like all of us, you will answer to God for your choices based on how informed your conscience is or should be depending on your ability to understand.

I am not sure what I think about the idea of the death penalty for the original Reformers but my instinct tells me that the death penalty is wrong in almost every case and therefore it would likely be wrong in the case of the Reformers.

I have nothing to say about your post.

But please tell your son that FDT '24 was limp, and FDT '06 was the last of the red ass old army drilldicks

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I have nothing to say about your post.

But please tell your son that FDT '24 was limp, and FDT '06 was the last of the red ass old army drilldicks

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Hahaha! I will. Unfortunately, '24 FDT was Covid-blocked from going to Tulane. My son was on Ex block. He was heartbroken but he was a Reg block hound for '25 and they went to Tulane and won it. His reg block got the highest score of all the blocks.

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I wouldn't expect any less, Best Damn Unit anywhere! And damn proud of it. I was the first year back from when it was disbanded, but we still won Tulane.

Me either, but that does make sense, I guess. Our parish is Sacred Heart so we are very pleased about this.

Awesome!

Gig'em!

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I have nothing to say about your post.

But please tell your son that FDT '24 was limp, and FDT '06 was the last of the red ass old army drilldicks

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Hahaha! I will. Unfortunately, '24 FDT was Covid-blocked from going to Tulane. My son was on Ex block. He was heartbroken but he was a Reg block hound for '25 and they went to Tulane and won it. His reg block got the highest score of all the blocks.

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I wouldn't expect any less, Best Damn Unit anywhere! And damn proud of it. I was the first year back from when it was disbanded, but we still won Tulane.

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QV, curious, do you share my son's disdain for RVs?

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Quo Vadis? said:

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I have nothing to say about your post.

But please tell your son that FDT '24 was limp, and FDT '06 was the last of the red ass old army drilldicks

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Hahaha! I will. Unfortunately, '24 FDT was Covid-blocked from going to Tulane. My son was on Ex block. He was heartbroken but he was a Reg block hound for '25 and they went to Tulane and won it. His reg block got the highest score of all the blocks.

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I wouldn't expect any less, Best Damn Unit anywhere! And damn proud of it. I was the first year back from when it was disbanded, but we still won Tulane.

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QV, curious, do you share my son's disdain for RVs?

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Absolutely. We had a strict 1 cord policy on FDT

Roger that!

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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I have nothing to say about your post.

But please tell your son that FDT '24 was limp, and FDT '06 was the last of the red ass old army drilldicks

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Hahaha! I will. Unfortunately, '24 FDT was Covid-blocked from going to Tulane. My son was on Ex block. He was heartbroken but he was a Reg block hound for '25 and they went to Tulane and won it. His reg block got the highest score of all the blocks.

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I wouldn't expect any less, Best Damn Unit anywhere! And damn proud of it. I was the first year back from when it was disbanded, but we still won Tulane.

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QV, curious, do you share my son's disdain for RVs?

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Absolutely. We had a strict 1 cord policy on FDT

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Imagine doing your entire fish FDT experience with a stupid diaper wrapped around your grill. Makes me angry to this day.

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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I have nothing to say about your post.

But please tell your son that FDT '24 was limp, and FDT '06 was the last of the red ass old army drilldicks

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Hahaha! I will. Unfortunately, '24 FDT was Covid-blocked from going to Tulane. My son was on Ex block. He was heartbroken but he was a Reg block hound for '25 and they went to Tulane and won it. His reg block got the highest score of all the blocks.

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I wouldn't expect any less, Best Damn Unit anywhere! And damn proud of it. I was the first year back from when it was disbanded, but we still won Tulane.

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QV, curious, do you share my son's disdain for RVs?

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Absolutely. We had a strict 1 cord policy on FDT

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Imagine doing your entire fish FDT experience with a stupid diaper wrapped around your grill. Makes me angry to this day.

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Man I didn't even think about that, that's ridiculous

No they weren't. They (both Luther and Tetzel) were part of God's plan. Thankfully we are back in dialogue and building on our shared common ground after all these years. Here is a statement from 2015 from a joint letter issued by the diocese of Boston that goes into greater detail:

November 1, 2015

All Saints Day

Dear Sisters and Brothers in Christ:

It is with joy and gratitude that together we greet you in the name of the One who is our life and our salvation, Jesus Christ. In 1979, our predecessors sent a Pastoral Letter to all our parishes encouraging a joint observance of the 450th anniversary of the Augsburg Confession, the basic theological document of the 16th-century reform movement. In our own day, Roman Catholic and Lutheran descendants of the 16th-century Church together have continued to be moved by the Holy Spirit, including through the witness of the Second Vatican Council, to recognize the Lord's desire that both communions affirm the apostolic faith and seek the healing of the separation that resulted from the Reformation.

Our common ground lies in the life-giving Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We share one baptism into Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior. The Reformation was concerned with what matters most to each of us today, our relationship with God and our eternal destiny. After four decades of Lutheran/Roman Catholic dialogue, in the United States and globally, on October 31, 1999, the Roman Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation signed a Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, agreeing to a consensus on the central dividing issue of the Reformation. "Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works."

Building on this common ground, we seek to witness together to the world. One aspect of this witness is in caring for God's good creation. Pope Francis' encyclical On Care for Our Common Home provides a timely opportunity for Lutherans, Roman Catholics, and all our ecumenical partners to gather in small groups to read and discuss it together in an atmosphere of prayer and common faith. We encourage all to do so. Such a time of study, prayer, and ecumenical fellowship will serve as a worthy preparation for our mutual observance of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation in 2017.

Plans are in process for other ways to commemorate the many gifts in the churches of the Reformation as well as opportunities for mutual repentance in order to reconcile our division. A joint Liturgy of Word and Prayer will be celebrated at a time and venue to be announced. A list of service projects, study guides, and events in the arts and academia will provide opportunities to participate in the worldwide observance.

As we proceed toward this observance, we give thanks for our mutual baptism into Christ Jesus and our irrevocable commitment to full visible unity. For this we must all work and pray.

May the reconciling grace that is God's gift to us in Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit be reflected in our common life together as we proclaim Christ crucified and risen for the life of the world!

Cardinal Sen P. O'Malley
Archbishop of Boston

Bishop James Hazelwood
New England Synod
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

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No they weren't. They (both Luther and Tetzel) were part of God's plan. Thankfully we are back in dialogue and building on our shared common ground after all these years. Here is a statement from 2015 from a joint letter issued by the diocese of Boston that goes into greater detail:

November 1, 2015

All Saints Day

Dear Sisters and Brothers in Christ:

It is with joy and gratitude that together we greet you in the name of the One who is our life and our salvation, Jesus Christ. In 1979, our predecessors sent a Pastoral Letter to all our parishes encouraging a joint observance of the 450th anniversary of the Augsburg Confession, the basic theological document of the 16th-century reform movement. In our own day, Roman Catholic and Lutheran descendants of the 16th-century Church together have continued to be moved by the Holy Spirit, including through the witness of the Second Vatican Council, to recognize the Lord's desire that both communions affirm the apostolic faith and seek the healing of the separation that resulted from the Reformation.

Our common ground lies in the life-giving Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We share one baptism into Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior. The Reformation was concerned with what matters most to each of us today, our relationship with God and our eternal destiny. After four decades of Lutheran/Roman Catholic dialogue, in the United States and globally, on October 31, 1999, the Roman Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation signed a Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, agreeing to a consensus on the central dividing issue of the Reformation. "Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works."

Building on this common ground, we seek to witness together to the world. One aspect of this witness is in caring for God's good creation. Pope Francis' encyclical On Care for Our Common Home provides a timely opportunity for Lutherans, Roman Catholics, and all our ecumenical partners to gather in small groups to read and discuss it together in an atmosphere of prayer and common faith. We encourage all to do so. Such a time of study, prayer, and ecumenical fellowship will serve as a worthy preparation for our mutual observance of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation in 2017.

Plans are in process for other ways to commemorate the many gifts in the churches of the Reformation as well as opportunities for mutual repentance in order to reconcile our division. A joint Liturgy of Word and Prayer will be celebrated at a time and venue to be announced. A list of service projects, study guides, and events in the arts and academia will provide opportunities to participate in the worldwide observance.

As we proceed toward this observance, we give thanks for our mutual baptism into Christ Jesus and our irrevocable commitment to full visible unity. For this we must all work and pray.

May the reconciling grace that is God's gift to us in Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit be reflected in our common life together as we proclaim Christ crucified and risen for the life of the world!

Cardinal Sen P. O'Malley
Archbishop of Boston

Bishop James Hazelwood
New England Synod
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

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Thanks for that and I support it.

Just HIS interpretation that other Bishops do not share.

Is it really the right thing? He believes it is, but other Bishops, like the one in Rome, disagrees.

It's not about me or you, so stop trying so hard to make it a gotcha moment. I'm pointing out the truth- that's all.

I was going to post a longer response, but it was a bit confusing and needs to be cleaned up.

The short answer is that Pope Francis in 2021, actually addressed this very issue, building upon what Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul II had written going back to 1995. Essentially Francis said that certain criteria must be met before one could deny the Eucharist to someone who presented themselves at communion.

" if you are close, and tender, and compassionate with a person, you have to give Communion"

Looking at what the Archbishop said, "in most cases" seems to be in alignment- only he would know. To another Bishop that may not be the case. Francis later said of the Eucharist "is not a prize for the perfect, but a generous medicine and food for the weak" (Evangelii Gaudium).

This understanding recalls Pope Saint Pius X saying the very same thing when he denounced the Jansenist heresy in 1910.