Most people view the abortion topic with a bit more nuance than you seem to. Per Gallup, only about 13% of people believe abortion should be illegal under all circumstances. So for a lot of people it isn't that they're giving him a pass on a view they disagree with but that they don't disagree with his stance to begin with. I don't think Texags as a whole or F16 in particular are in any way representative of the political views of the average person.

On the other hand, I don't think you'll find a lot of people who think it's morally OK to coerce someone into getting an abortion while telling the public how pro-life you are and lying about it the whole time. Or abandoning the kids you do have. All of which Walker's own children have accused him of.

Edit: Also, +1 for the records on political threads in the Religion board started by conservatives.

I think very few people are voting for the person, just Team Red or Team Blue.

Which isn't crazy if you are ideologically aligned with one team or the other.

So ridiculing someone for voting for Walker (or Fetterman, or...) misses the point. It's not about the person, it's about the extra red or blue vote.

Religious people, like all other people, have different views on abortion.

But religious people, pretty much just like all other people, have a negative view of lying, hypocritical, idiots.

Republicans could have run pretty much any standard, non-idiot Republican and they would have won. Instead, they ran Herschel Walker.

My question was truly meant to be more about Rev. Warnock's pro-abortion stance.

As a pro-choice pastor, I’ve always believed that a patient's room is way too small for a woman, her doctor, and the United States government.

I'll always fight to protect a woman's right to choose. And that will never change.

— Reverend Raphael Warnock (@ReverendWarnock) May 3, 2022

I would've expected a pastor to run silent on abortion, but this man seems to proudly wave the flag.

Yes, I'm a conservative and I don't think Walker is a very good candidate and I agree that he's probably not be truthful about his past. But on the other side... an abortion loving preacher??? We live in odd times.

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Religious people, like all other people, have different views on abortion.

But religious people, pretty much just like all other people, have a negative view of lying, hypocritical, idiots.

Republicans could have run pretty much any standard, non-idiot Republican and they would have won. Instead, they ran Herschel Walker.

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IMO, there's a difference in "religious people" and a preacher.

I have no idea what a pro-choice preacher believes in. I find this more negative.

He's not defending abortion due incest or rape, he's pro-choice regardless.

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My question was truly meant to be more about Rev. Warnock's pro-abortion stance.

As a pro-choice pastor, I’ve always believed that a patient's room is way too small for a woman, her doctor, and the United States government.

I'll always fight to protect a woman's right to choose. And that will never change.

— Reverend Raphael Warnock (@ReverendWarnock) May 3, 2022

I would've expected a pastor to run silent on abortion, but this man seems to proudly wave the flag.

Yes, I'm a conservative and I don't think Walker is a very good candidate and I agree that he's probably not be truthful about his past. But on the other side... an abortion loving preacher??? We live in odd times.

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There are many Protestant denominations and clergy that have been proudly pro-choice for decades.

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I'm having trouble reconciling what is happening in Georgia. This hasn't been reconciled on the politics board, so I thought I'd come here for a fresh take.

On one hand, we have a former athlete who may have done some questionable things 30 years ago. He may have assisted someone getting an abortion, but his views have changed as he matured both physically and spiritually.

On the other hand, we have a Christian preacher who opens supports abortion rights.

Why is it that the first man is defiled for his past actions, while the other "man of the cloth" gets a complete pass on his views and actions?

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His views haven't changed "because he's matured." His views have "changed" because he got the abortions he needed already and he needs to be anti-abortion to run as a Republican. That's it.

And people criticize Herschel because they see right through his bull***** he's not "pro-life." He's paid for multiple abortions and likely coerced multiple women into getting them. He's not owning up to it and instead is lying about it. He promotes complete abortion bans with no exception even though he got abortions when he needed them in the past. It's the "f*** you, I got mine" mentality, and it's very off-putting to voters. So by the laws he supports, he would be charged as an accessory to murder. Incredibly hypocritical and wrong. If anything he should be MORE sympathetic of people who have sought abortions and said he understands what they are going through. Instead he says "f*** you, straight to prison. but not me! I'm special."

Throw in the fact that Herschel Walker has been a terrible father to his kids and the complete opposite of a family man, and you have a ton of people rolling their eyes about him being some champion of family values.

And to flip it around from the abortion stuff, nonreligious people like me do shake our heads when we see something like 80% of evangelicals picking a candidate like Herschel Walker over a literal pastor who has dedicated his life to serving God. Even if you dont like Warnock's position, he has said over and over again that the government should not get between women and their doctors when it comes to decisions like these (and he's right). He's not saying yay abortion, abortions for everyone, I know this argument probably isnt convincing to most here, but it's at least well reasoned.

I try to be reasonable and understanding of people's views, I really do. I can understand why people supported Trump, for instance. But I really can't wrap my head around what's going on in Georgia. At the end of the day I think the only reason Herschel is getting votes is because he's on team R and would have been pivotal in the GOP retaking the majority.

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zephyr88 said:

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My question was truly meant to be more about Rev. Warnock's pro-abortion stance.

As a pro-choice pastor, I’ve always believed that a patient's room is way too small for a woman, her doctor, and the United States government.

I'll always fight to protect a woman's right to choose. And that will never change.

— Reverend Raphael Warnock (@ReverendWarnock) May 3, 2022

I would've expected a pastor to run silent on abortion, but this man seems to proudly wave the flag.

Yes, I'm a conservative and I don't think Walker is a very good candidate and I agree that he's probably not be truthful about his past. But on the other side... an abortion loving preacher??? We live in odd times.

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There are many Protestant denominations and clergy that have been proudly pro-choice for decades.

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This. Being a pro-choice clergyperson used to not be that unusual. Same for being religious and pro-choice. It's just become much more polarized in recent years.

There is also a good bit of hypocrisy on the right here. If abortion is murder then walker is a hit man.

How many would vote for an admitted murderer even if repentant? It seems we nearly all see abortion as something different than murder rhetoric be damned.

I personally think he's also just not very bright and able to sell himself on top of the sordid past. A republican wet blanket can win in Georgia.

Lying about living in Georgia and having your homestead in Texas is just another cherry on top.

If you're looking for any sort of reasonable consistency in politics (legal, moral, ethical, religious, financial), then you're going to be disappointed. Politics is about power, and politicians only care about power. They will do whatever it takes to get more power. The only advantage of politicians over warlords is that politicians loosely work within peaceful frameworks instead of always using outright violence. Which isn't great, but it isnt' nothing either

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Atlanta is Chicago in disguise.

The Democrats have curated a voting block that is made of up of people dependent on government, educated in crappy schools so they stay dependent. The ambitious are given dope to smoke so that they kill their ambition. The rich then use these serfs to cut grass, wash dishes and live in rat infested government housing that the rich own.

They fear losing their rat pad, free money and good dope, so they re-elect their princes and princesses who don't hurt their feelings.

They leverage their moronic minds with arguments of calling people names and creating fear.

I prefer living in third world ag states to avoid the debacles like Atlanta.

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Man… there's a lot going on in this one post.

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You gotta be kidding me... this man is pure evil.

Raphael Warnock: I Support Abortion Because “It’s Exactly What Jesus Would Do” https://t.co/VAaEMRalP2

— LifeNews.com (@LifeNewsHQ) December 6, 2022

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Here's what he actually said:

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"If we care about life, black women are dying three to four times the rate of white women in childbirth, as a result of childbirth," he said. "And so, if you care about life, we ought to find a way and address the obvious bias in our health care system."

"It's what Jesus would do," Reid said.

"I think it's exactly what Jesus would do," Warnock agreed.

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Oh I bet LifeNews is a good source of unbiased reporting on this subject...

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Oh I bet LifeNews is a good source of unbiased reporting on this subject...

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Or you know… anything

Well he didn't say what that website claimed he said, and that poster then regurgitated without question. So, there is that.

Looks like Warnock wins

Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock wins reelection in Georgia, defeating Republican Herschel Walker in a runoff election.

Warnock's victory gives Democrats an outright majority at 51-49, meaning the parties won't have to negotiate a power-sharing deal.https://t.co/s0TkXg1Mm7 pic.twitter.com/rS0mf7Ab5I

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 7, 2022

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Well he didn't say what that website claimed he said, and that poster then regurgitated without question. So, there is that.

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Definitely a hail mary tweet to hopefully net Walker some more votes from uninformed voters.

Glad Warnock won. Glad Georgia rejected such a disgusting and horrible person in Walker.