Aggrad08 said:

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Sure, I just don't see why you be surprised the arguments don't change.

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FAT SEXY said:

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Why would a "fair and just God" have his creation be so unequal?

Why do some people hit the genetic lottery and have a life seemingly on easy mode, while others are thrust into this world with learning defects and little to no familial support?

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nortex97 said:

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DirtDiver said:

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nortex97 said:

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But that's not responsive to the op's question, which is why God allowed for an unequal creation. This in itself presupposes that equality would be fair and that this is good/what God should have wanted.

But why? Wouldn't it be reasonable for God to have 'favorites' as Roman Catholics would be inclined to agree such as with Mary?

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To tackle this I think there are a few questions to ask that we may not have answered to:

1. Was creation "unequal" in the beginning? Doesn't seem so
2. Is the "unequal" creation a result of the fall and cursed humanity? May very well be

We do know that God has allows inequality to exist (as humans define equality) in the same way He allows for pain, suffering, death, and sin to exist for a time.

I think we need also need to consider the differences between equality in the eyes of God vs human equality. We may view someone as being financially advantaged over another person however they could be morally depraved in the eyes of God as they accumulated that wealth by taking advantage of others.

Someone may be physically advantaged over another person and yet my use that advantage to commit immoral acts, while another person may be a quadriplegic and have a faithful relationship with God.

Our life on earth is but a breath. Does God make up for wrongs suffered in this life in eternity?

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Do we? God has chosen some very colorful/flawed messengers, of course, of his Word. His 'favorites' such as Mary would, it seem, to have endured great heartache/suffering in their lives. God doesn't really make equality of opportunity, status, or success a theme of His book.

I don't think God 'makes up' for anything, or owes me for instance anything. Some things, it would seem, in this creation could be 'fixed' but are not, to alleviate suffering. It's a mystery to me.

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12thAngryMan said:

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What about fairness in the context of where you were born and whether your parents were Christian? An aboriginal in some remote part of South America might never be introduced to Jesus and the Christian God. Or even worse, what if your parents raise you as a Buddhist, Muslim, or pagan?

Not asking as a "gotcha", I've genuinely never heard a great answer for this one. Seems like you either say it doesn't matter (general revelation/inclusivism) and thus dilute the meaning of Christ's suffering, or you condemn half the world to hell for being born in the wrong place/time/family.

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dermdoc said:

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I actually think inclusivism increases the worth of the Atonement. Jesus paid for all sins, Truly good news which is what Gospel means.

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12thAngryMan said:

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So is hell in your view just "not getting into heaven"? If so, does that mean an eternity in purgatory, or just a soul that fizzles out when your body does?

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12thAngryMan said:

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dermdoc said:

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I actually think inclusivism increases the worth of the Atonement. Jesus paid for all sins, Truly good news which is what Gospel means.

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Logically valid, but doesn't that directly contradict the gospel?

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. (John 3:18)

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