Thoughts? I agree we are living in end times. Ain't the first winged cat erected in the world.

Please google the story because I'm too stupid to figure out how to post.

Here is a link:

https://medium.com/thatancientfaith/does-the-un-statue-resemble-the-end-times-beast-from-daniel-and-revelation-8cb8dd106eaf

The formation of the European Unionand the fact that we have a reunified Germanyis very interesting in light of biblical prophecy. The "ten toes" of Daniel 2:42 and the ten-horned beasts of Daniel 7:20 and Revelation 13:1 are references to a "revived" Roman Empire which will hold power before Christ returns. Although the precise political structure has yet to be formed, the pieces can be seen as falling into place.

Do you think the world will last forever and ever?

Magneto said:

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The formation of the European Unionand the fact that we have a reunified Germanyis very interesting in light of biblical prophecy. The "ten toes" of Daniel 2:42 and the ten-horned beasts of Daniel 7:20 and Revelation 13:1 are references to a "revived" Roman Empire which will hold power before Christ returns. Although the precise political structure has yet to be formed, the pieces can be seen as falling into place.

Do you think the world will last forever and ever?

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There was an eastern Roman Empire as well, which governed the Levant.

canadiaggie said:

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Not sure on biblical animals, but surely the biblical era people were able to distinguish Asiatic lions from leopards.

Jaguars are only in the Americas, right?

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Yes, they're exclusive Central and South America and, as you might expect, were highly prized and worshipped by the natives.

Sapper Redux said:

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canadiaggie said:

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Not sure on biblical animals, but surely the biblical era people were able to distinguish Asiatic lions from leopards.

Jaguars are only in the Americas, right?

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Yes, they're exclusive Central and South America and, as you might expect, were highly prized and worshipped by the natives.

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False.



Fascinating animals.

Sapper Redux said:

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Cougars aren't Jaguars.

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Panther, jaguar, puma...they are all about the same thing. Let's not be racist about our names for them.

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The North American jaguar is a jaguar (Panthera onca) population in North America, ranging from the southwestern United States to Central America.

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The exception to the species rule is the Florida panther. Found in a small region of the Florida panhandle, these so-called panthers are actually a member of the puma genus, making them a subspecies of cougar.

Cougars are widely distributed throughout the Americas, particularly South America. They can be found from the northern parts of Canada to the southern parts of Argentina and Chile, so different regions have simply developed different names for the cats.
In addition, cougars were called different names by different groups of people as they settled the Americas. Some of those names have stuck, especially in specific regions.

Cougar names may also refer to slight genetic differences between subspecies. For example,
Florida panther kittens have a spotted, jaguar-like appearance, so their name may suggest a similar appearance between this cougar subspecies and the panthera genus.

Though they have many names and are divided into various subspecies, cougars are surprisingly similar in appearance and genetics no matter where they are found in the world.

Conclusion

There is no difference between cougars, pumas, and mountain lions. They are all the same species, members of the puma concolor genus.

Panthers are members of the panthera genus, so they are not related to cougars. The subspecies of cougar known as the Florida panther is not actually a panther, as it is a member of the puma genus despite its common name.

Cougars are known by many different names, but they are all very similar in appearance and genetics.

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Is there a word for jaguar in Ancient arabic?

BusterAg said:

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Is there a word for jaguar in Ancient arabic?

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No idea.

And these dudes are the 4 horseman of the apocalypse… I wonder if they ever played a show near the UN?


Panther….. Pantera… CFH…

I will never understand why people that believe in a literal end times aren't active in doing whatever they can do to make those events happen. Believe a vaccine passport is the mark of the beast? Why wouldn't you encourage it to be required? Think the EU is the new Babylon? Why aren't you encouraging the US government to support and strengthen the EU?

I mean if I believe the world was so terrible and that certain things needed to happen before the beginning of the millennium, I'd be voting and supporting groups that help make those conditions come to pass.

THERE'S PUMAS IN THE CRAVASAS!
~ Tommy Smothers (starting at 2:20 in this clip)

Duncan Idaho said:

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I will never understand why people that believe in a literal end times aren't active in doing whatever they can do to make those events happen. Believe a vaccine passport is the mark of the beast? Why wouldn't you encourage it to be required? Think the EU is the new Babylon? Why aren't you encouraging the US government to support and strengthen the EU?

I mean if I believe the world was so terrible and that certain things needed to happen before the beginning of the millennium, I'd be voting and supporting groups that help make those conditions come to pass.

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Not sure if serious.

But, if so, this attitude is pretty inconsistent. If the end times were prophesied and set down by God, why would you think that as a single human your actions would have any impact on the long term plans.

If you read Jesus's teachings, they were primarily focused on the attention to the people you have in front of you, and to let God sort out everything else. "Let the day's own trouble be enough for the day."

So, there is a much more common (but not only) point of view that the end times will occur, but that the world doesn't revolve around me. While God might use me to further his over-arching plans, I do not have the capacity to alter those one way or the other, so why would I concern myself with that? Much more productive to love the people I see every day.

PacifistAg said:

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I actually believe that's largely what drives Christian zionists. It's more a desire to usher the end times than a love of the Jewish people

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I respect the Christian Jewish heritage, and the amount of overlap in Christian and Judeo moral values. As a Christian that has associated with many different churches that support the statehood of Israel, and respect it's holiness, my experience does not match your assumption.

As for my eschatology, I am a staunch Eventualist.

Eventually, all that stuff will work itself out.

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BusterAg said:

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Is there a word for jaguar in Ancient arabic?

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No idea.

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I guess my point is that it is meaningless to argue word meanings without real exegesis.

If the end time creature is in fact going to be a large feline creature, what Aramaic word do you think the author would use?

(Fun fact, this passage of Daniel is a small snippit of Aramaic in an otherwise Hebrew book. Fun to study if you like that sort of thing.)

I think this is just run of the mill idolatry in the name of coolness and art. A physical idol placed in front of man made governmental idols.

BusterAg said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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I will never understand why people that believe in a literal end times aren't active in doing whatever they can do to make those events happen. Believe a vaccine passport is the mark of the beast? Why wouldn't you encourage it to be required? Think the EU is the new Babylon? Why aren't you encouraging the US government to support and strengthen the EU?

I mean if I believe the world was so terrible and that certain things needed to happen before the beginning of the millennium, I'd be voting and supporting groups that help make those conditions come to pass.

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Not sure if serious.

But, if so, this attitude is pretty inconsistent. If the end times were prophesied and set down by God, why would you think that as a single human your actions would have any impact on the long term plans.

If you read Jesus's teachings, they were primarily focused on the attention to the people you have in front of you, and to let God sort out everything else. "Let the day's own trouble be enough for the day."

So, there is a much more common (but not only) point of view that the end times will occur, but that the world doesn't revolve around me. While God might use me to further his over-arching plans, I do not have the capacity to alter those one way or the other, so why would I concern myself with that? Much more productive to love the people I see every day.

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I agree…We cannot know the time or force it somehow (someone needs to tell John Hagee )…so all we can do is be prepared

Um, Cougars and Jaguars are not the same thing.

And I'm not talking about old worn out seductresses and fat offensive linemen.

I think that if statues like this were predictors of the end times, then Mexico has been predicting these dark days for a long time. A winged lion, like a griffin, has been used in ancient Egyptian and Persian art too.

Now, I'm not saying that the eagle-jaguar at the UN isn't a predictor that we will soon be devoured by the anti-Christ. . . . it just seems unlikely to me.

I do find the psychology of hoping and waiting for the end times to be interesting. I don't mean this as an attack or insult to anyone. . . Lord knows I'm plenty guilty of cynicism. But, end times hopefulness looks to me like a resignation to the idea that mankind is not ultimately capable of doing good or that the good parts of our humanity are not worth fighting for. It suggests an inevitability of the failure of mankind baked into our very creation by God. If God made us wretched and unworthy, He should swipe us off the planet and start over with something better. Something that isn't burdened with the inevitability of failure.

I don't believe in God or in the end times. 'Bettering' humanity (whatever humanity decides that means) should be the goal of humans. In any case, I see no advantage to living life in hopes that God will come in and whoosh our mess away. Even if there is a God and a future end times, shouldn't we live our life without the expectation that someone will whoosh away our mess?

I think that end times hopefulness could just be a coping mechanism for some. Again, not an attack - I have my own coping mechanisms. And I think that they are often equally as un-productive. Or even counter-productive.

Well spoken Mr. MEEN Ag,

And allow me to reiterate that I do not wish for it to seem that I am throwing stones from my own glass house.

side note - is MEEN a reference to your chosen undergraduate field of study?

kurt vonnegut said:

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Well spoken Mr. MEEN Ag,

And allow me to reiterate that I do not wish for it to seem that I am throwing stones from my own glass house.

side note - is MEEN a reference to your chosen undergraduate field of study?

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Oh no you're fine. This is a good discussion.

And yes, I did my undegrad and masters at A&M in mechanical engineering. I TA'd the engineering ethics course while I was in grad school. I usually try to guide the morality discussion I participate on this board to meet the recitation standards from when I was a TA. There's a lot of overlap between leading 25 hard headed engineering students through messy, unclear morality discussions that don't have an answer in the back of the book to how discussion happens on this board.

That being said, I don't hold myself to be even a decent philosopher (or engineer for that matter). Our team meetings consisted of being in a room full of philosophy phd students who could take any position on any subject and outclass the engineering grad students. They were basically lawyers navigating different moral frameworks to suit their needs. But they struggled to understand engineering risk and design. Everything was an easy teaching lesson, but they couldn't show the students what tools to use to head off future bad designs, future bad meetings, and future bad bosses. So there was room for everyone to humbly approach and learn more.

I'm sad now that the department of engineering is now no longer requiring that specific class to graduate. I view it as the most important course an engineer can take. You're going to forget thermo equations but those are easily looked up. Learning how to spot maliciously implied moral obligations (when someone uses the word should), walking through where moral authority comes from (its not a piece of paper that says professional code of ethics at the top), and how to defend your moral positions are life long lessons that are hard to self study.