Agilaw said:

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What??? Heaven and Hell, "they aren't places at all". Many "sources" from this guy are from something or someone outside of scripture??? Seems like you are looking for someone the justify the way you think things should be. Quite dangerous???

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Not speaking for pacifist, but I am just looking for truth. The speaker is talking about Orthodox theology.

Agilaw said:

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What??? Heaven and Hell, "they aren't places at all". Many "sources" from this guy are from something or someone outside of scripture??? Seems like you are looking for someone the justify the way you think things should be. Quite dangerous???

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Yeah, that dangerous Eastern Orthodox theology that's existed for the entirety of church history.

Agilaw said:

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I've viewed many of your posts over a long period of time without commenting. I chose not to let this one pass by without a comment. I seen what you claim to be/believe. Your posts and the like don't add up to what you claim to be/believe. Yes, I do think what you propose is a dangerous theology it it is actually a theology. Personally, I think it is a theology that you want to believe.

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All pacifist did was post a video that reflected Orthodox theology.

So your beef would have to be with the "dangerous" theology of the Orthodox Church.

To add to that, I affirm every single word of this:

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I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.

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PacifistAg said:

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To add to that, I affirm every single word of this:

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I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.

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Amen.

Agilaw said:

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You posted the video.

Is heaven a real place? What about hell?


Did you watch and listen to the video?

As to your many past posts, do you believe in what the Bible calls out as sin to be sin? Or do you pick and choose what is sin?

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So basically you disagree with Orthodox theology as presented in the video.

I am not even going down the rabbit hole of your problem with pacifist.

Curious about your theology of heaven and hell.

From my reading, "heaven" will actually be God coming down to Earth and completely redeeming His Creation. We will have perfect resurrected bodies. No sorrow, illness, death, war, etc. The New Jerusalem.

I personally do not believe in ECT hell and believe God purifies us all to become the perfect creation He meant for all of us to be.

And it is fine to disagree on non salvific issues imho.

God bless and good night.

It's weird how people react to the possibility that ECT isn't true. I know there's probably some negative and unwarranted assumptions here, but it comes across as though they want people to go there. If not, why get upset at those who don't subscribe to ECT?

The Orthodox view seems far more consistent with the nature of God as revealed by Christ crucified. But is it a salvific issue? Not at all.

Pacifist, you regularly want to be the martyr and say people are condescending to you when they question you about things you say and your personal views. It's the way you are and choose to be on these boards.

The video says heaven and hell aren't real places. Do you believe that? Simple question? I know the creed. What do yo believe?

As to "derailing" your thread, you can feel free to comment on other things I say or not. However, I scrutinize your posts because of the many faults or incorrect ways you handle clear teachings of scripture and say it's not the way you believe, When what you are discussing is addressed clearly in scripture. You just choose not to follow it.

You won't answer a simple question that I posed. But you're quickly back to your claim of someone being condescending to you and acting the martyr. I only expected as much.

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You won't answer a simple question that I posed. But you're quickly back to your claim of someone being condescending to you and acting the martyr. I only expected as much

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Are you acting christ like? Jesus washed the feet of people in this situation. Nothing you are saying or doing represents Jesus. Think about that.

This is why I struggle with so many of your posts. A simple question posed and you can't or won't answer it for some reason.

The two questions I have asked a couple of times are the only ones I've posed in response to your video. Is heaven a real place? Is hell a real place?

The answer is either yes or no to each question. I don't understand why you can't answer with a yes or no.

In any event, safe travels.

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The two questions I have asked a couple of times are the only ones I've posed in response to your video. Is heaven a real place? Is hell a real place?

The answer is either yes or no to each question. I don't understand why you can't answer with a yes or no.

In any event, safe travels.

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Can you tell me if heaven is a real place or if hell is a real place? Are your actions leading you to one or the other? These are all yes or no questions.