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The films adopt a Reformed theological perspective. They feature interviews with Voddie Baucham, Alistair Begg, Matt Chandler, Bryan Chapell, Alisa Childers, R. Scott Clark, Ray Comfort, Mark Dever, Kevin DeYoung, Michael Horton, Jackie Hill-Perry, Julius Kim, John F. MacArthur, John Piper, Nabeel Qureshi (who died in 2017, before the first film was released), and Paul Washer. Christ Crucified also has interviews with Bart Campolo and Tony Jones, whose views are being critiqued.

The series has had a mixed reception. Speaking in favor of the film and its mission, Owen Strachan of The Gospel Coalition stated that Christ Alone "champions the true, saving gospel, and it unpacks this message with clarity and conviction."

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Just based on the names alone that are associated with it, I'll pass.

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redcrayon said:

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Thanks for posting. I appreciate them exposing the false teaching that has invaded the American Protestant church.

No one should be afraid to watch because it may not fit your soteriology. I overlooked a few Marxist pastors that were featured. Being informed is better than being ignorant.

I plan to seek out the full versions of both of the documentaries.

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dermdoc said:

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redcrayon said:

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Thanks for posting. I appreciate them exposing the false teaching that has invaded the American Protestant church.

No one should be afraid to watch because it may not fit your soteriology. I overlooked a few Marxist pastors that were featured. Being informed is better than being ignorant.

I plan to seek out the full versions of both of the documentaries.

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Love you man but no fear of Calvinism.

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Simple question, if you are a Calvinist and believe in TULIP, why do MacArthur and Piper require lordship salvation works that they define?

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diehard03 said:

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Simple question, if you are a Calvinist and believe in TULIP, why do MacArthur and Piper require lordship salvation works that they define?

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simple answer: They don't. A salvific faith, given by God himself, drives the individual to complete those "works". it's not a requirement to be saved - its the evidence of the salvation.

(note: I am not declaring myself in agreeance with lordship salvation. Just addressing the misunderstanding)

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dermdoc said:

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Like MacArthur and Piper? With their man made requirements of lordship salvation?

And it has nothing to do with the Gospel as that is very simple as Paul preached.

The Gospel is Good News. Man sinned, Christ died for our sins and the reconciliation of man and God, he arose, and sits at the right side of God.

That is the Gospel and if you believe you are saved just like Scripture repeatedly says.

Calvinism, Armenianism, free grace, lordship salvation, etc. are all theologies based on secondary things and not the Gospel itself.

Simple question, if you are a Calvinist and believe in TULIP, why do MacArthur and Piper require lordship salvation works that they define?

Do they not believe the U in TULIP stands for unconditional election?

And I am curious now my friend.

Which Marxist preachers do I like that are exposed?

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I used to think I knew what post modernism and Marxism was but now I don't actually know anymore. I blame texags

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I used to think I knew what post modernism and Marxism was but now I don't actually know anymore. I blame texags

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I understand the theology and what you posted.

IMHO, these guys sure seem to preach and write differently than what you posted.

How do they know exactly what is evidence for "exhibiting salvation".

Both seem to have requirements.

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diehard03 said:

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I understand the theology and what you posted.

IMHO, these guys sure seem to preach and write differently than what you posted.

How do they know exactly what is evidence for "exhibiting salvation".

Both seem to have requirements.

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You have to separate their actual doctrinal positions from their pandering to the issues of the day. I agree with you that both of those men need to practice what they preach more often...as do the rest of us.

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redcrayon said:

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dermdoc said:

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Like MacArthur and Piper? With their man made requirements of lordship salvation?

And it has nothing to do with the Gospel as that is very simple as Paul preached.

The Gospel is Good News. Man sinned, Christ died for our sins and the reconciliation of man and God, he arose, and sits at the right side of God.

That is the Gospel and if you believe you are saved just like Scripture repeatedly says.

Calvinism, Armenianism, free grace, lordship salvation, etc. are all theologies based on secondary things and not the Gospel itself.

Simple question, if you are a Calvinist and believe in TULIP, why do MacArthur and Piper require lordship salvation works that they define?

Do they not believe the U in TULIP stands for unconditional election?

And I am curious now my friend.

Which Marxist preachers do I like that are exposed?

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I'm not a Calvinist.

I don't know if you like Marxist pastors. I was referring to Joel Osteen.

You should watch the video. The documentary part is only 40 mins (it's a truncated version.) But the testimonials at the end are worth watching as well. It would be interesting to see which parts you disagree with.

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I used to think I knew what post modernism and Marxism was but now I don't actually know anymore. I blame texags

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Edited to remove derail.

Sorry for the derail, Satoshi. I regret that my comment about the Marxist pastors will be used to avoid discussion of the documentary. I pray that those who need to see the video will watch.

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Will do. Thanks.

I will be honest that before watching I consider Calvinism as false a doctrine as the prosperity gospel.

Especially the Lordship salvation folks.

But nobody ever calls them on it.

At least Osteen is not controlling or condemning.

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I find that to be rather offensive to be honest. It's one thing to be considered wrong on issues outside of the essential doctrines about Jesus (and deserving rebuttal)...it's another thing to be considered the same as someone whos literally preying on people for financial gain.

it's ironic that you get all defensive about people being too judgmental, but don't mind casting that stone yourself.

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Fair enough. Of the three folks mentioned, who has been the most judgemental? Macarthur has basically stated if you have not met his five criteria you are not saved. Piper has stated unbaptized children go to hell. And if you collect seashells in retirement you are damned.

And fwiw, Piper and MacArthur are almost worth as much as Osteen.

And please know I mean this all in Christian love. Not a huge Osteen fan but those two really bother me.

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I can't tell if you really hate these guys enough to call them akin to the prosperity gospel or you just dont know enough about it.

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Nah, but I like going to Aggie sporting events and am sure he thinks that is wasting my life also.

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dermdoc said:

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Like MacArthur and Piper? With their man made requirements of lordship salvation?

And it has nothing to do with the Gospel as that is very simple as Paul preached.

The Gospel is Good News. Man sinned, Christ died for our sins and the reconciliation of man and God, he arose, and sits at the right side of God.

That is the Gospel and if you believe you are saved just like Scripture repeatedly says.

Calvinism, Armenianism, free grace, lordship salvation, etc. are all theologies based on secondary things and not the Gospel itself.

Simple question, if you are a Calvinist and believe in TULIP, why do MacArthur and Piper require lordship salvation works that they define?

Do they not believe the U in TULIP stands for unconditional election?

And I am curious now my friend.

Which Marxist preachers do I like that are exposed?

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I like you Dem but you don't know what you are taking about. Calvinist teach by grace alone and not works.
Your beef should be with the brother of Christ, the apostle James. He spoke of works, but really more Like a Calvinist, the believe that your faith will cause u to produce good fruit but Calvinist do not teach that those works will get u in heaven.

Calvinist are hardcore Christians, and I find JM teachings directly out of the gospel fascinating. From the Good Samaritan to Nicodemus, he brings the characters to life. A powerful orator teaching in the same church for over 50 years. I don't agree with everything he writes or says and I am not a Calvinist,

Calvinist also teach from the KJV which I have read and continue to read.

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Nah, but I like going to Aggie sporting events and am sure he thinks that is wasting my life also.

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There's nothing wrong with Aggie sporting events or hobbies or even having a dignified retirement. He's preaching against the seduction of the American Dream that says you chase after materialism.

I think you would agree that someone who solely spent the resources God provided them on going to Aggie sporting events to be a waste. No one on this board believes you do such a thing. There's no guilt or shame about your spending here. But, we are thankful that, even if they are abrasive and approach it the wrong way, there are pastors willing to lay the challenge before us so we can check our own hearts.

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