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I don't get labeling people as "demonic" and "harlots". I would say misguided and deceived.

I understand that this is a sad day for Argentina which is just the latest Latin American country to accept the lie that a new birth, a human baby, is a burden and impediment for women.

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In reading a little bit of the background, they have been pushing for this type of legislation for 30+ years. Many of the people who supported this law mistakenly think having access to this medical procedure (free and in a hospital) is a step towards women gaining more control over their bodies and improving their lives.

The Pope weighed in, tweeting: "The Son of God was born an outcast, in order to tell us that every outcast is a child of God." This is significant because it shines a light on the real issue facing young people, particularly young women, who find themselves pregnant and unmarried. The lie is the same as it ever was - that a child is a burden and will be an outcast. He states clearly that they are "a child of God." This is the crucial aspect that is a basis, in my opinion, about how abortion will end.

Planned Parenthood plays on this theme quite a bit and lays it on thick. When my then girlfriend (now wife) and I visited PP in Bryan, we were told about how difficult it would be for two 20 year old students to provide for a newborn, let alone finish college. The answer it would seem, is to terminate this pregnancy and wait until things are better, like after college, when we both have jobs, and are most likely married.

Lies, lies, and more lies. The fact of the matter is, very few relationships survive an abortion! Also, how presumptuous to think, "OK God, I've got everything under control, give me a baby now." Lest we think we can conceive a life on our own without resorting to artificial means? Not to mention that most couples resort to abortion as a last line of birth control. Abortion can have a devastating effect on a women's body when abortion is chosen as an answer to an unwanted pregnancy. Most couples never intended to have a child at the time of conception. So naturally their predisposition about having a child is skewed against the wonderful gift God has blessed them with - surprisingly no doubt! For newly married couples this is likely not the case. The news of new baby is a welcomed and a joyous event!

For older couples, it can be a trying moment. After our first baby, my wife got on the pill and I would use condoms or just "pull out" as they say - because we had bought into the lie. Seven years went by before baby #2 arrived. It was only because, we stopped believing the lie and trusted God. We choose to be open to the gift of life! After validating our marriage in the Church - it was just a year later when baby #2 came along. Two years after that, baby #3. Three years later, baby #4. After that, God blessed us with a child almost every two years until baby #8, about 12 years ago. Were there difficulties - sure. However, it is a matter of belief in God if you ask me - Does God give life or do we?

We followed the Natural Family Planning method the Catholic Church recommends for new couples. It begins with the basic understanding that God is the God of life. We are co-creators when we open up our marriage to God and the gift of life. We did abstain at times, and learned so much more about ourselves and the reproductive cycle. It deepened our marital love and our relationship with God! He never abandoned us and I can say without hesitation that it was a turning point in my faith journey.

I write all this to point out plainly that the end to abortion will not come from the courts or the legislature. It will come from a better understanding about the gift of life. It will end when good people come together to support new life because of the intrinsic value it brings to a society regardless of how it came into being. Undoubtedly it will be because man has rejected the lie and believed in the truth. The truth is God.


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diehard03 said:

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Explain your point, Christ called Judas the Son of Perdition and said it was better had he not been born. Christ loved more perfectly than I could ever hope to love, yet still whirled the lash, literally, when needed.

I'm not claiming to be Christ, just wondering why the focus has turned yet again to "how dare you" rather than "how dare the people holding a naked public dance to celebrate infanticide"

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Darg hit it well in the overall sentiment. But I will explain further.

Your post is not to lament the passing of the bill or even to cry over the lost children to come under this law. Your post was to call out the "harlots" and those celebrating. You also make no attempt to understand how someone can cheer such a thing. I, too, think that abortion is evil and abhorrent...but when someone cheers on evil activity, it's upon us to try and understand why. Why? Because they are creations of the Most High as well. Unless you have some evidence of demonic possession, I believe calling them demonic harlots would fail the "known by love" test.

To address the mores specific nature of the posts, you are equating Christ (and others) calling out self-righteous acts of piety by "believers". You are correct in that He deals with them more harshly than the world. He seems to treat the world as "they know not what they do". One might even say He deals with them compassionately.

Again, abortion is bad and this law passage is not a good thing. But lets dispense with name calling of those who celebrate it. It's not a good look for us.

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dargscisyhp said:

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Yea, where's the nudity, so I definitely don't look at that timestamp and skip over it instead?

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Do you think it's ever appropriate to say someone is demonic or a harlot?

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I didn't post the nudity for obvious reasons, but its there i can dm it to you if you're really interested

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