Trump: Messianic or Demonic?

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ClutchCityAg
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A good article. I highly respect Wallace Henley and his work.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-messianic-or-demonic-237565/
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i say he's more of a Colonic than Demonic.
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I'm not going to lie - I am tired of the assumption that Rowe v Wade will be magically repealed and all abortion will be solved if Trump wins in 2020.

I also think it's horribly short sighted to go full bore on this one issue.

I'm not there yet, but I find myself entertaining the argument that we are foresaking the ones God gave to us to serve (the living) for the ones God has not (abortions)
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Unfortunately, Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere.

More to the point, trump is neither messianic or demonic.
ClutchCityAg
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You are right that Roe v Wade likely is not going anywhere, but I do think that if Trump is re-elected and gets to appoint 1-2 more SC Justices that there is a chance.
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Is the argument you are having based on assumption that the baby inside the womb is dead or alive?
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ClutchCityAg said:

You are right that Roe v Wade likely is not going anywhere, but I do think that if Trump is re-elected and gets to appoint 1-2 more SC Justices that there is a chance.
No, it there isn't really even a chance. There is zero appetite to overturn.
ClutchCityAg
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Yeah you are right the appetite isn't there. But if there were to be a renewed interest in overturning, it would at least be feasible.
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Is the argument you are having based on assumption that the baby inside the womb is dead or alive?

No. It's more like, dead or alive, I can't see a fetus but I can see all the people that are hurt by the Presidents actions and rhetoric.

and, like I said, I'm not there yet.
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Maybe he's neither, and he's just a flawed individual like everyone else.
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Trump declared Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel almost 100 years to the day after the Balfour Decree to establish Israel as a nation for Jews.
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"More to the point, trump is neither messianic or demonic."

"Maybe he's neither, and he's just a flawed individual like everyone else"


Truth

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Understood. It was genuine curiosity and not trying to call out.
diehard03
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I wonder if the "maybe hes just flawed like us" say the same thing about Pelosi/Biden/etc...
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ClutchCityAg said:

You are right that Roe v Wade likely is not going anywhere, but I do think that if Trump is re-elected and gets to appoint 1-2 more SC Justices that there is a chance.
Since Roe v Wade, there have been 15 new SCOTUS judges. 11 were appointed by Republicans.

The GOP has no real interest in reversing this decision. It's far too valuable a political football for them. They are able to dupe millions into voting for them on the sole pipe dream of reversing this decision. And heck, even if they do reverse it, which won't happen, all it does it return the issue to the states. How many states do you believe honestly ban abortion?

This is all ignoring the fact that abortion is at rates lower than at the time of Roe. It peaked right when Carter was leaving and Reagan was coming in. There have been a couple slight upticks, both under Republican presidents. The most recent, under W, was when he was pushing abstinence-only sex education.
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diehard03 said:

I wonder if the "maybe hes just flawed like us" say the same thing about Pelosi/Biden/etc...
Yeah, we didn't really hear that much from 2008 - 2016.
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But, to address the question of the OP, all I can say is that Trump is an unrepentant serial adulterer with an offensive personality. He is a narcissist, which is probably a common trait he shares with much of DC. I would argue he's also probably racist as well, and has encouraged cops to "rough up" people as they put them in the cop car.

So, no matter what he is, I would be wary of Christians putting their witness to the Kingdom at risk by casting their lot with someone who a moral degenerate, simply for the mirage of SCOTUS nominees that will not give you what you want.

And before anybody "whatabouts", I believe Joe Biden is likely a pedophile and would caution against any Christian casting their lot with him either. If the choose is a "lesser of two evils", choose neither.
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I would argue he's also probably racist as well
Nothing in his history has shown he is racist.(disclaimer: I am not a Trump voter).
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diehard03 said:

I wonder if the "maybe hes just flawed like us" say the same thing about Pelosi/Biden/etc...
The Christians I hang with sure did. And they are conservative Trump voters who definitely see his flaws. We pray for all of them at our Bible study.

Sure is a lot of mis conceived projections probably from Forum 16.

And my Beaumont pastor, who is a dear friend and liberal, used to joke with me about how our votes cancelled each others out.

We got along together great because we were brothers in Christ and saw through all the garbage.
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powerbelly said:

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I would argue he's also probably racist as well
Nothing in his history has shown he is racist.(disclaimer: I am not a Trump voter).


With you there. No love lost on Trump from me, but I can't think of any racist statement or act coming from him. Maybe all the anti-immigrant stuff, but I, maybe naively, don't think that's a racial thing as much as an economic thing. Surely he has some supporters in that vein, but that's unavoidable as a Republican
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He's human, which is terrifying enough.
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PacifistAg said:


And before anybody "whatabouts", I believe Joe Biden is likely a pedophile and would caution against any Christian casting their lot with him either. If the choose is a "lesser of two evils", choose neither.


While I consider myself an incredibly conservative person, I've been troubled by Christians "casting their lot" with a candidate for a while. Mainly on the right as of late.

I don't fault a Christian for voting for Trump in 2016 because of his pro-life views or Hillary for her welfare views. They were both very imperfect people that had views that do line up with the Bible and views that don't.

Jerry Falwell going all in on Trump is just as bad as Keller or Thabiti going all in on Hillary or Biden. I'm fine to make a vote for an imperfect candidate. I'm fine answering the question of who you're voting for, but actively campaigning for unrepentant person just isn't my cup of tea in that position.
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He's the president of the United States which means many will love or hate him for no reason other than that.

You will make many friends if you openly hate any elected official. That I have learned.

Edit: I do my fair share of hating on officials, especially Democrats
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the church, the body, the assembly is the job to work, to love, to evanglize

Trump's been put here to protect

He's a prophecy of King Jehu

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Daddy said:

the church, the body, the assembly is the job to work, to love, to evanglize

Trump's been put here to protect

He's a prophecy of King Jehu



Uh, no.
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I think calling him either messianic or demonic gives him far, far too much credit.
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According to the Hebrew calendar which is typically more important, the dates were a month apart.
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PacifistAg said:

But, to address the question of the OP, all I can say is that Trump is an unrepentant serial adulterer with an offensive personality. He is a narcissist, which is probably a common trait he shares with much of DC. I would argue he's also probably racist as well, and has encouraged cops to "rough up" people as they put them in the cop car.

So, no matter what he is, I would be wary of Christians putting their witness to the Kingdom at risk by casting their lot with someone who a moral degenerate, simply for the mirage of SCOTUS nominees that will not give you what you want.

And before anybody "whatabouts", I believe Joe Biden is likely a pedophile and would caution against any Christian casting their lot with him either. If the choose is a "lesser of two evils", choose neither.

Whoa....
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PacifistAg said:

But, to address the question of the OP, all I can say is that Trump is an unrepentant serial adulterer with an offensive personality. He is a narcissist, which is probably a common trait he shares with much of DC. I would argue he's also probably racist as well, and has encouraged cops to "rough up" people as they put them in the cop car.


so was king david. God can take a flawed individual and use their good qualities to bring about good things.

just sayin.
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Abraham impregnated a slave because he wanted a son. And told a king his wife was his sister and let him sleep with her.
Jacob was a liar and a thief.
Moses was a murderer.
Solomon had over 600 concubines.
Paul hunted down Christians and held Stephen's clothes while they stoned him.
Sovereign God can use all kinds of people.
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Macarthur said:

PacifistAg said:

But, to address the question of the OP, all I can say is that Trump is an unrepentant serial adulterer with an offensive personality. He is a narcissist, which is probably a common trait he shares with much of DC. I would argue he's also probably racist as well, and has encouraged cops to "rough up" people as they put them in the cop car.

So, no matter what he is, I would be wary of Christians putting their witness to the Kingdom at risk by casting their lot with someone who a moral degenerate, simply for the mirage of SCOTUS nominees that will not give you what you want.

And before anybody "whatabouts", I believe Joe Biden is likely a pedophile and would caution against any Christian casting their lot with him either. If the choose is a "lesser of two evils", choose neither.

Whoa....
One time I agree with you my friend.
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...DJT has some similarities of being the Antichrist.

...Trump could be the guy, never in my lifetime has someone in power resembled the Antichrist as much as Donald.


...world is destiny for The 7 year tribulation that we all agree on. All part of God's plan.


......But I don't think DJT is the Antichrist ..in reality, I think he is a decent fellow, typical rude New Yorker . I didnt think DJT was a Christian when he ran for office but I am not so sure now, He is a friend of Israel. Over 90% of evangelicals back him.

If trump doesn't win, Biden will win and he doesn't appeal to me. I think he has a dark side. I could be wrong but I have watched him for his 40 yrs and never was impressed.

also think Trump will be re-elected and if he keeps control of a favorable senate, load the court with At least one more die hard conservative and eventually overturn legalized abortion. Wishful thinking, maybe but maybe not.







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I do not think we all agree on a seven year tribulation.

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....

So we just go with Great Tribulation for the sake of staying on topic.

Although....
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Ubitag said:

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So we just go with Great Tribulation for the sake of staying on topic.

Although....
With all due respect, ever heard of Amillennialism? Or Preterism? Or a lot of other eschatological theologies?

And actually, that has a lot to do with the topic of the op.
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