How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
We saved folks can understand what they're saying.powerbelly said:
Why is speaking in tongues always gibberish and never an actual language?
powerbelly said:
Why is speaking in tongues always gibberish and never an actual language?
Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
I've always wondered where the Pentecostal movement got that from. I don't see anywhere in church history that understanding tongues is an indicator to being saved. I bet you can find the exact year and person who set that Protestant doctrine.Patriarch said:We saved folks can understand what they're saying.powerbelly said:
Why is speaking in tongues always gibberish and never an actual language?
It started with Wesleyan perfectionism.Larry Lajitas said:I've always wondered where the Pentecostal movement got that from. I don't see anywhere in church history that understanding tongues is an indicator to being saved. I bet you can find the exact year and person who set that Protestant doctrine.Patriarch said:We saved folks can understand what they're saying.powerbelly said:
Why is speaking in tongues always gibberish and never an actual language?
The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
UTExan said:
Larry, you might also try this link for charismatic Orthodox churches.
https://theucoc.org/
Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
TSJ said:UTExan said:
Larry, you might also try this link for charismatic Orthodox churches.
https://theucoc.org/
Just going off the picture posted on their site, this is not Orthodox, not close at all.
Before I found the Orthodox faith this is something that might have interested me. I was all over the place. Unfortunately they are not Orthodox since they are not associated with the Church in any way.UTExan said:TSJ said:UTExan said:
Larry, you might also try this link for charismatic Orthodox churches.
https://theucoc.org/
Just going off the picture posted on their site, this is not Orthodox, not close at all.
They consider themselves Orthodox. Who am I to argue?
As far as I can tell every church outside the Orthodox Church is setup for private interpretation. Sola Scripture and Galileo laid that foundation. I'll admit I don't know enough of the Catholic Church to understand how they consider the Pope to be infallible outside the Orthodox faith.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
Larry Lajitas said:As far as I can tell every church outside the Orthodox Church is setup for private interpretation. Sola Scripture and Galileo laid that foundation. I'll admit I don't know enough of the Catholic Church to understand how they consider the Pope to be infallible outside the Orthodox faith.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
Win At Life said:It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
You're losing me a little bit. Acts 2 was a discourse between humans. And every human heard what was being said by the speaker in their own language as it was being spoken with no need of an interpreter. That's pretty spectacular and I do not dismiss its existence at all. But what language were these humans speaking in that everyone heard what was being said in their own language? Calling that "tongues of Angles" seems pretty fitting.UTExan said:Win At Life said:It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
No, your assertion regarding tongues of angels makes no sense as you have described it. Why would tongues of angels be necessary if it was discourse between humans? Perhaps if you don't understand the phenomenon it is a way to dismiss it without having to deal with its actual existence. BTW, such a gift does not mark the recipient as superior in any way to other Christian. It is a gift to glorify God and encourage the church, despite its abuse by many.
Win At Life said:You're losing me a little bit. Acts 2 was a discourse between humans. And every human heard what was being said by the speaker in their own language as it was being spoken with no need of an interpreter. That's pretty spectacular and I do not dismiss its existence at all. But what language were these humans speaking in that everyone heard what was being said in their own language? Calling that "tongues of Angles" seems pretty fitting.UTExan said:Win At Life said:It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
No, your assertion regarding tongues of angels makes no sense as you have described it. Why would tongues of angels be necessary if it was discourse between humans? Perhaps if you don't understand the phenomenon it is a way to dismiss it without having to deal with its actual existence. BTW, such a gift does not mark the recipient as superior in any way to other Christian. It is a gift to glorify God and encourage the church, despite its abuse by many.
So Paul's description of tongues is different than the tongues spoken in Acts 2? There are TWO speaking in tongues; one that's clearly a miracle and another one that's easily fabricated by people throwing out gibberish? Or is it that speaking in tongues is exactly what Acts 2 describes it to be, the tongues Paul is taking about is just basic human languages that needed interpreting for those not speaking that language and speaking gibberish for God is seen nowhere in the bible?UTExan said:Win At Life said:You're losing me a little bit. Acts 2 was a discourse between humans. And every human heard what was being said by the speaker in their own language as it was being spoken with no need of an interpreter. That's pretty spectacular and I do not dismiss its existence at all. But what language were these humans speaking in that everyone heard what was being said in their own language? Calling that "tongues of Angles" seems pretty fitting.UTExan said:Win At Life said:It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
No, your assertion regarding tongues of angels makes no sense as you have described it. Why would tongues of angels be necessary if it was discourse between humans? Perhaps if you don't understand the phenomenon it is a way to dismiss it without having to deal with its actual existence. BTW, such a gift does not mark the recipient as superior in any way to other Christian. It is a gift to glorify God and encourage the church, despite its abuse by many.
I do disagree with you there given Paul's descriptions of tongues.
Win At Life said:So Paul's description of tongues is different than the tongues spoken in Acts 2? There are TWO speaking in tongues; one that's clearly a miracle and another one that's easily fabricated by people throwing out gibberish? Or is it that speaking in tongues is exactly what Acts 2 describes it to be, the tongues Paul is taking about is just basic human languages that needed interpreting for those not speaking that language and speaking gibberish for God is seen nowhere in the bible?UTExan said:Win At Life said:You're losing me a little bit. Acts 2 was a discourse between humans. And every human heard what was being said by the speaker in their own language as it was being spoken with no need of an interpreter. That's pretty spectacular and I do not dismiss its existence at all. But what language were these humans speaking in that everyone heard what was being said in their own language? Calling that "tongues of Angles" seems pretty fitting.UTExan said:Win At Life said:It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
No, your assertion regarding tongues of angels makes no sense as you have described it. Why would tongues of angels be necessary if it was discourse between humans? Perhaps if you don't understand the phenomenon it is a way to dismiss it without having to deal with its actual existence. BTW, such a gift does not mark the recipient as superior in any way to other Christian. It is a gift to glorify God and encourage the church, despite its abuse by many.
I do disagree with you there given Paul's descriptions of tongues.
UTExan said:Win At Life said:So Paul's description of tongues is different than the tongues spoken in Acts 2? There are TWO speaking in tongues; one that's clearly a miracle and another one that's easily fabricated by people throwing out gibberish? Or is it that speaking in tongues is exactly what Acts 2 describes it to be, the tongues Paul is taking about is just basic human languages that needed interpreting for those not speaking that language and speaking gibberish for God is seen nowhere in the bible?UTExan said:Win At Life said:You're losing me a little bit. Acts 2 was a discourse between humans. And every human heard what was being said by the speaker in their own language as it was being spoken with no need of an interpreter. That's pretty spectacular and I do not dismiss its existence at all. But what language were these humans speaking in that everyone heard what was being said in their own language? Calling that "tongues of Angles" seems pretty fitting.UTExan said:Win At Life said:It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
No, your assertion regarding tongues of angels makes no sense as you have described it. Why would tongues of angels be necessary if it was discourse between humans? Perhaps if you don't understand the phenomenon it is a way to dismiss it without having to deal with its actual existence. BTW, such a gift does not mark the recipient as superior in any way to other Christian. It is a gift to glorify God and encourage the church, despite its abuse by many.
I do disagree with you there given Paul's descriptions of tongues.
No he isn't. 1 Corinthians 14:2 says that he who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks to God (not men) . Your belief is that tongues are only for communication with men but that passage contradicts your assumption.
dermdoc said:
I believe Christians still speak in tongues as it is a gift listed by Paul from the Holy Spirit. I think it is a wonderful self edifying gift when not abused or faked. And as I have gotten closer to the Lord I sometimes pray silently by myself in what I consider a tongue from the Spirit.
And it is a gift, not a salvific issue. It feels really good when it happens also.
Larry Lajitas said:
You mentioned before that Pentecostals are the fastest growing denomination. What are the reasons for that?
Win At Life said:UTExan said:Win At Life said:So Paul's description of tongues is different than the tongues spoken in Acts 2? There are TWO speaking in tongues; one that's clearly a miracle and another one that's easily fabricated by people throwing out gibberish? Or is it that speaking in tongues is exactly what Acts 2 describes it to be, the tongues Paul is taking about is just basic human languages that needed interpreting for those not speaking that language and speaking gibberish for God is seen nowhere in the bible?UTExan said:Win At Life said:You're losing me a little bit. Acts 2 was a discourse between humans. And every human heard what was being said by the speaker in their own language as it was being spoken with no need of an interpreter. That's pretty spectacular and I do not dismiss its existence at all. But what language were these humans speaking in that everyone heard what was being said in their own language? Calling that "tongues of Angles" seems pretty fitting.UTExan said:Win At Life said:It's a logical interpretation of words that are written in a way that avoids self-contradictions, which is how we generally interpret any spoken or written language every day.UTExan said:Win At Life said:Tongues of men are men speaking one language at a time just like men like you and me. Tongues of angels are men speaking where anyone in ear-shot can hear them in their own language just as what was described in Acts 2.UTExan said:Win At Life said:The speaking in tongues in Acts 2 NEEDED NO INTERPRETING. That's actually the exact thing thing made it so notable (besides the visible tongues of fire as well). Whatever Pentecostal thing you are describing that needs interpretation is NOT speaking in tongues according to Acts 2 (Pentecost, that is)UTExan said:Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?
This is known as praying in the spirit and is not intended for public display but for gatherings of smaller groups of Pentecostal Christians and with a person who has the gift of interpreting tongues. Everything is to be done in order according to Paul's instructions and the gift is to encourage the church. I don't know that you will see this in general services of such churches as Assembly of God but you certainly might. Charismatics in the Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist and other traditions also use this gift. It is a "lesser gift" if you will. Since you are Catholic, you might contact a local charismatic group within your church for better insight.
Then why did Paul write about speaking with the tongues of men or of angels in 1 Corinthians 13?
You also assume that those who speak in tongues speak an unintelligible language. Yet, there are instances of people speaking in languages known to those in audiences. Because you have not witnessed that does not mean that it hasn't happened.
And you know this how? Or is that your private interpretation of scripture?
No, your assertion regarding tongues of angels makes no sense as you have described it. Why would tongues of angels be necessary if it was discourse between humans? Perhaps if you don't understand the phenomenon it is a way to dismiss it without having to deal with its actual existence. BTW, such a gift does not mark the recipient as superior in any way to other Christian. It is a gift to glorify God and encourage the church, despite its abuse by many.
I do disagree with you there given Paul's descriptions of tongues.
No he isn't. 1 Corinthians 14:2 says that he who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks to God (not men) . Your belief is that tongues are only for communication with men but that passage contradicts your assumption.
If a guy showed up at your church, took the mic and started giving his testimony in The Parmethian tongue that is unknown to everyone, what men would he be speaking to? Who would be edified by that? Or would only God know what he's saying. That' the problem Paul is addressing in 1 Corinthians 14. I agree with Paul on that.
Larry Lajitas said:
How often do people speak in tongues during your services?