You've witnessed "miraculous healings"??
So when can we expect all ER docs and paramedics to be unemployed??
So when can we expect all ER docs and paramedics to be unemployed??
TxAgPreacher said:k2aggie07 said:
I'm curious - you say the time finally came. When do you think that was?
In many ways I think its irrelevant, because I believe we could look at the manuscripts today, and empirically come to the same canon we have today.
Not meaning to derail the canon discussion but as a doc(and I know derms do not count but I was a med student and Internal medicine intern at Baylor College of Medicine)I do not know if I have seen a verified "miracle". I have seen a lot of what I call God winks where say I order a routine CT scan or X-ray and find an asymptomatic tumor or something else and the patient benefited from it.UTExan said:
If you are a doc, cop, paramedic, etc., you have witnessed miracles.
Ramblin and I both said we believe in miracles. But IMHO miracles come from God. Not from people like faith healers.jrico2727 said:
There is a miracle daily with the Sacrifice on the Altar. There are many miracles that happen all the time that are recorded and are not believed. 70,000 people witnessed Fatima and still people choose not to believe.
Great everything I wrote about is a miracle from God.dermdoc said:Ramblin and I both said we believe in miracles. But IMHO miracles come from God. Not from people like faith healers.jrico2727 said:
There is a miracle daily with the Sacrifice on the Altar. There are many miracles that happen all the time that are recorded and are not believed. 70,000 people witnessed Fatima and still people choose not to believe.
https://sqpn.com/2020/03/the-mysterious-nephilim-of-the-bible-aliens-angels-or-something-else/Quote:
Maybe another thing to consider is its treatment of the nephilum. Some consider them to be the product of fallen angels, others considered them to be coming from the line of Seth, sons of God, and the line of Cain, daughters of man.
I do know what I have seen based on what medical people tell me and what I have seen: one lady collapsed in our church one Sunday morning and not only was not breathing, but turning blue---no heartbeat and no breathing. There were two docs there but the lady had a DNR card. Another church member prayed over her at the scene while paramedics were on the way (somebody had already called 911) and she revived. A miracle? I think so.dermdoc said:Not meaning to derail the canon discussion but as a doc(and I know derms do not count but I was a med student and Internal medicine intern at Baylor College of Medicine)I do not know if I have seen a verified "miracle". I have seen a lot of what I call God winks where say I order a routine CT scan or X-ray and find an asymptomatic tumor or something else and the patient benefited from it.UTExan said:
If you are a doc, cop, paramedic, etc., you have witnessed miracles.
I hear all the stories from mission fields and maybe I am wrong but it seems that few are substantiated by docs or medical personnel. And I have gotten very angry with people, clergy or others, who suggested to my sick patients that if they had more faith they would be healed. That is truly a wicked, warped theology.
My opinion on faith healers is that if you can really heal people, please come to the hospital and help. Never saw Benny Hinn or any of the other faith healers at the Texas Med Center. Unless they were sick themselves.
I am a cessationist as far as tongues go but to me it is such a minor point of theology that it does not bother me one way or another. Unless some one says(and they do) to congregants that if they do not speak in tongues then they are not "saved".
And I do believe in the complete sovereignty of God and that He can heal anyone He desires to. Or give anyone the power to speak in tongues if He wants to. But that is up to God. And not up to the "powers" of any person. And it definitely should not be used as a means of judging other Christians or non Christians for that matter.
Now back to the Canons.
dermdoc said:
First of all, I believe in miracles but just have not seen one personally in medicine. Now have I seen what I consider a God wink, yes. Actually somewhat often.
Secondly, a lot depends on how you define miracles especially if you are an old doc. I have seen similar instances to what you described but did not consider them "miracles" and can explain them medically. Maybe I am too skeptical but I would consider a miracle when an amputated leg regrew, a pancreatic cancer spontaneously resolved, a documented medically blind person immediately being able to see, etc. I have read the reports of these but have seen so many people who were prayed over and who had a strong faith not get the miracle then I am skeptical of human claims or human "healers" of any sorts. And if you know folks in the shadows who can truly heal people, please send them to MD Anderson.
And edited to add, I was not being dismissive. I am deadly(emphasized) serious. If the Father can heal, please come help.