Does every planet with advanced life forms have its own god & Jesus?

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MidTnAg
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A religious question: Does every planet with advanced life forms have its own god & Jesus?
What's your answer?

I am often asked:
Do you believe there is a god that created the universe that included billions and billions of planets and, about 10 billion years after he started, he created the only planet (earth) that would eventually house advanced life forms? And about 4 billion years after he created the earth, he created Jesus?
Next question: You really don't believe that, do you?

I do realize that, out of the billions and billions of planets, there are probably at least a billion planets with advance life forms.

I often hear individuals say things that imply not only do they believe that there is a god watching over the earth, that god actually spends much of his time overlooking the health and wellbeing of that particular individual:
A common statement: "God has a plan for me."
Also (very common): They often remark how often god acted in their lives. Such as: God (changed / altered / caused) something to happen (sometimes good / sometimes bad) in their life because of their behavior towards him (prayed / didn't pray / etc.).

Could we have:
a god overlooking each of us earthlings (7+ billion gods), or
a god overlooking all of us earthlings , or
a god overlooking each solar system, each galaxy, or over the entire universe (which would include the billions of galaxies and all the other advanced life forms living there)?

What do you believe?
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What about right here on Earth before you go to other planets? Depending on how you count there have been 3 to 9 advanced homo species. Some sources will list even more. That list includes Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Erectus who were able to make tools, burry their dead, make fire, be capable of speech, wear simple clothes, and much more. They literally just discovered some Neanderthal yarn.
Was there a Neanderthal Jesus and we don't know about it because they weren't advanced enough to write it down? Or did they all die before the Neanderthal Jesus came? Did they get saved by Homo Sapien Jesus and there are Neanderthals in heaven? Or were Homo Sapiens the chosen ones for some reason?
We could even extend the thought to dolphins, Elephants, and the other great apes. They certainly have some characteristics of being "advanced" depending on how you define that word.
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I believe God is THE god of the universe so if there are other life forms He created them.

But I'm not so sure those other life forms exist. If they do so doubt we ever find them.
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If they do exists, they are several light-years away from us. No we will never see them unless we meet them in Heaven.
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Quad Dog said:

What about right here on Earth before you go to other planets? Depending on how you count there have been 3 to 9 advanced homo species. Some sources will list even more. That list includes Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Erectus who were able to make tools, burry their dead, make fire, be capable of speech, wear simple clothes, and much more. They literally just discovered some Neanderthal yarn.
Was there a Neanderthal Jesus and we don't know about it because they weren't advanced enough to write it down? Or did they all die before the Neanderthal Jesus came? Did they get saved by Homo Sapien Jesus and there are Neanderthals in heaven? Or were Homo Sapiens the chosen ones for some reason?
We could even extend the thought to dolphins, Elephants, and the other great apes. They certainly have some characteristics of being "advanced" depending on how you define that word.

I believe there is one son of God for the entire universe , as opposed to an association, such as the Green Lantern Corp.

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I thought CS Lewis' concept of each planet having its own "head" angel in the Space Trilogy was cool.
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The first two in the series are among my favorite books ever.

But wow did I hate That Hideous Strength
Zobel
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It did seem a bit rushed, didn't it?
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Absolutely.

It's been a long time since I read it, but I remember being just enthralled by the first two, especially Perelandra. Then just Season 8 Game of Thrones level disappointment with the last one.
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First, know one knows if other intelligent life is out there. Our best guess is the Drake Equation, and we are just now getting to the "what percent of stars have planets" and "what percent of planets could support life" terms, so we're just scratching the surface.

Agree with the above that there is only one God and only one Christ. God is eternal, unique, omnipotent, and omnipresent. You can't have more than one God with those characteristics.

If there are other intelligent species, then God has certainly interacted with them by the fact that they are intelligent. After all, what are we looking for we we say "intelligent" or "advanced"? Complexity and cooperation? Ants are complex and cooperative, but no one considers them intelligent. Technology? It's conceivable that some biological animal could develop radio communication biologically or evolve and adapt to space travel. Look at bacterial spores for instance. They can survive a hard vacuum for a long time.

To me, the way we'll know if another species has consciousness and not just complexity is by looking for certain things. Complex language. Rituals, beliefs and customs surrounding death. Treating the sick and disabled of their kind with dignity and compassion and not just treating them like they are expendable. Appreciation of beauty. Things that show that they recognize their own consciousness and experiences, and treat these as something unique and valuable. And what is all that but a reflection of the God we know and love? IMHO, the most simple and easy way to confirm aliens are persons and not animals would be for them to express a belief in a higher power through language. That's got to be 100% specific.
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Quad Dog said:

What about right here on Earth before you go to other planets? Depending on how you count there have been 3 to 9 advanced homo species. Some sources will list even more. That list includes Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Erectus who were able to make tools, burry their dead, make fire, be capable of speech, wear simple clothes, and much more. They literally just discovered some Neanderthal yarn.
Was there a Neanderthal Jesus and we don't know about it because they weren't advanced enough to write it down? Or did they all die before the Neanderthal Jesus came? Did they get saved by Homo Sapien Jesus and there are Neanderthals in heaven? Or were Homo Sapiens the chosen ones for some reason?
We could even extend the thought to dolphins, Elephants, and the other great apes. They certainly have some characteristics of being "advanced" depending on how you define that word.
Homo sapiens are at the top of the hierarchy and being at the top has special privileges. If you need any clarification you can start at Plato or Genesis. If that's not your thing then there are plenty of scientists that can show you how large that gap is. The gap is worth noting when looking at a creature that is supposed to be made in His image (this is important because He is the creator and His essence is beyond all knowledge). Neanderthal yarn is a total waste of time.
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I think the question would be addressed at LDS. org
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God is everywhere, touches everything, the universe is all subject to the same God.
kurt vonnegut
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What I think is a fun question to consider is what would happen if two 'intelligent' species met, each with its 'own Jesus' from the same God. Would they get along? Would they conclude that they worshipped the same God and shared the same values?

The cynic in me would point to the fact that Christians can't agree on anything and have plenty of history of murdering one another over their differences. What hope would two different species have? Should I attribute this cynicism to human nature or to the consequences of rigid dogmatic beliefs based on language which is just vague enough to be able to be twisted and interpreted to justify literally anything?

Of course I don't believe in God. For those that do, what are the chances that human Christians would get along with alien Christians? Would the experience of alien Christians reaffirm their beliefs or would they find trivial bull**** to kill each other over?
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I think it is possible that there are other life forms on other planets. If so, I believe that they were created by the same God. Jesus, however, I think to be unique to Earth. Our disobedience in the Garden brought the need for a Savior, which might not be needed on other creations. So I think Christians are unique to the planet Earth and civilizations on other planets may, or may not need their own Savior.
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If one in a billion planets have an advance form of life, there are a billion planets with advance life forms on it. Due to the environment of their planet, they will certainly be completely different from us. We are carbon based. But it hard to conceive of another forms of life. Think that on other planters, life forms may have been in existence for a few billion years. Try to imagine what life on earth will be like in a billion years.
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So, what do these civilizations without need for a savior look like? Are these civilizations of perfect sinless beings?

If there are other civilizations on planets under God who are in need of a savior, then how unique is Earth- Jesus? If another planet had been visited by God in the form of a savior named Glorp (classic Larsonian alien name) who preached the same types of ideals, would Christians and Glorpians be able to recognize that they worship the same God, or would they reject each other as worshipping false Gods?
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kurt vonnegut said:

So, what do these civilizations without need for a savior look like? Are these civilizations of perfect sinless beings?

If there are other civilizations on planets under God who are in need of a savior, then how unique is Earth- Jesus? If another planet had been visited by God in the form of a savior named Glorp (classic Larsonian alien name) who preached the same types of ideals, would Christians and Glorpians be able to recognize that they worship the same God, or would they reject each other as worshipping false Gods?
You know, I have no idea. As I said, I think it is possible for other civilizations to exist. I think it is possible, that they would be sinless. Or possible that they also are sinners and God had another plan for them. Or possible that Jesus served a similar ministry there. I also think the option you outlined is possible. Kind of an interesting discussion that could go on a million different tangents.

But the main concern for me is what happened on this Earth and the plan God has for us.
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Ive just wondered what would happen to the religious.....everything, if life off this planet is confirmed.
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Eliminatus said:

Ive just wondered what would happen to the religious.....everything, if life off this planet is confirmed.

Ironically, religions would evolve to align with the new information
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Duncan Idaho said:

Eliminatus said:

Ive just wondered what would happen to the religious.....everything, if life off this planet is confirmed.

Ironically, religions would evolve to align with the new information

A lot of groups would. Confirmation bias is strong. . . . atheists would see it as proof there is no God and the religious would work it into God's plan.

I think this question would be especially interesting if you combined it with the OPs question. How would it affect religious groups if we found an intelligent alien race with secular ethics that have no concept of God or religion as we define these things? And how would it affect atheists and religious people if this intelligent alien race had a wide variety of beliefs like we have on Earth. And how would it affect atheists and religious people if an intelligent alien race had a dominant religion that tracked nearly identical to one of the religions on Earth.

People are good at ignoring the things that they don't want to hear, but if you could know the religious beliefs of other intelligent and ethical beings in the universe . . . . of all the 'knowable' things - that may be about as profound as it gets.
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If the alien species had a dominate religion (ignoring the discussion on if the Earth has a dominate religion) that matches ours we would just have the same discussions with them we do here. Do you have to fully sumberge in sulfuric acid, or is sprinkle good enough? Does eating the tentacle and drinking the aresenic represent a symbol or is it actual presence?
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Quote:

People are good at ignoring the things that they don't want to hear, but if you could know the religious beliefs of other intelligent and ethical beings in the universe . . . . of all the 'knowable' things - that may be about as profound as it gets.
This reminds me of last time I went to the McDonald Observatory - the star gazing guide asked the group how many believed there was alien life on one of the billions of planets out there. Everyone but a very few (including myself) raised their hands. I spoke up and said, "Not that we have any evidence of." The speakers whole posture dropped as he looked at me and said, "of course he is right, we have no evidence of life on other planets. BUT WE WILL SOON..." and then continued to talk for 30 minutes about what he thought that life would look like and some possible planets it could live on.

It was interesting because his talk started out with science and we only deal with things we can prove etc...and then spent the bulk of his time talking about things he couldn't prove.
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I'm reminded of the South Park episode "Starvin' Marvin in Space".
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There are no other planets with advanced life forms unless you are stupid enough to believe in bottom up Darwinsim which is and always has been a fantasy!

The universe is expanding and nothng existed before the big bang except the one that went bang!
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John 10:16 New International Version (NIV)

16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.


I always wondered about this.
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Eliminatus said:

Ive just wondered what would happen to the religious.....everything, if life off this planet is confirmed.

Part of religion is faith.

If one parts with their faith at a confirmation of life elsewhere, their doing it wrong, at least if they believed in Christ that is.

Quote:

Hebrews 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


"Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see."
-Edgar Allen Poe
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i hope so, otherwise, who will convert the alien pigs that reproduce via tree?
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MidTnAg said:

If one in a billion planets have an advance form of life, there are a billion planets with advance life forms on it. Due to the environment of their planet, they will certainly be completely different from us. We are carbon based. But it hard to conceive of another forms of life. Think that on other planters, life forms may have been in existence for a few billion years. Try to imagine what life on earth will be like in a billion years.



If there are other planets with life, the universe appears to have been designed with a speed limit so that we never find them.
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Would an ET-Adam sin? Would there be an ET-Jesus?

I'm not trying to make light but this is a legit question. If there is indeed a consciousness out there that is sinless, how would it interact with fallen man?

If it is sinful and has no christ, we would probably be doomed.

If it is sinful and has its own incarnate christ, that seems to ruin sufficiency of the cross.

If it is sinful and they have our christ, that may redraw faith lines with new information OR it may result in accusations of false teachings adding to the gospel we have recieved.
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Fermi paradox.
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We are the only beings in His Creation, the Universe, that have souls. There are others, and they know a Creator exists, but they do not "worship" him.

My theory at least....
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