We fly to Thy protection,O Holy Mother of God; Do not despise our petitions in our necessities,but deliver us always from all dangers,O Glorious and Blessed Virgin. Amen.
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It is a common misunderstanding among some Protestants that Catholics, Orthodox, and some Protestant denominations "worship" the saints because we pray for their intercession.
Then why do you ask others to pray for you?bpchas2 said:
I guess Catholics believe that Paul was lying or mistaken when he wrote to Timothy (1 Timothy 2:5). "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."
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Then why do you ask others to pray for you?
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Hey, bpchas2 started the whole predictable thing. Knew exactly where this thread was going when I read Thad's initial post.
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It was not something that the original Christians practiced at all.
Mary, nor anyone else in heaven is "dead." Dead in the body does not equal dead in the soul, like you think. Luke 20: 38 says that God is not the God of the dead,, but of the living." That's what Catholics believe. And besides, 1 Corinthians 6:17 says that she and all others in heaven are united with the Lord.Quote:
Intercessory prayer is praying to JESUS for the salvation of someone dead or alive. It is not praying to ANYONE already dead to go knock on Jesus's door in heaven and ask him a favor. All prayers go to God. Period. Is that not the example given by Jesus and all Old Testament prophets before him...?
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I understand the objection, I simply wish that folks like bpchas2 would at least acknowledge the Catholic/Orthodox understanding of intercessory prayer even if they disagree with it.
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This current crisis we are in would come to a halt if all Catholics, Orthodox and protestants would get on their knees and humbly ask for her intercession.
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Does it bother you at all that you are now in disagreement with every single apostolic church on this point? Are you right and they are all wrong?
The Coptic Church, Armenian Church, Roman Church, Greek Church, Georgian Church, Churches of Asia Minor and Africa. All wrong?
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Yeah, what's the big deal?
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Yeah, what's the big deal?
She's not just now in disagreement with those churches, but has always been...your comment just struck me as very strange.
Well, this is an astounding statement. "Blessed art thou among women," God says in the Bible. She is more blessed than your mother and my mother, then. Genesis 3:15 is the prophesy (the protoevangelium) that says she will crush the serpent's head. Revelation 12:17 says that we are her children if we obey the commandments and testify that Jesus is the messiah (something the nation of Israel has NEVER done). Jesus gave her to us as our mother from the cross in one of His 7 last words (His words were addressed to the disciple whom he loved - which is also you and me). It's awful hard to be born again without a mother. Just as Eve became the physical mother of us all at the foot of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Mary became our spiritual mother (BEHOLD YOUR MOTHER) at the foot of the tree of life known as the cross.Quote:
Mary idolization has always fascinated me. She was human. No different from me.