Kanye West Evangelizes: Pope Francis Blames Christians

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https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize_12262019

Strange world we live in when it is up to a pop star to promote Christian beliefs and the ostensible leader of the largest Christian church in the world is in denial over Muslim fundamentalism and blames Christians with unchanging beliefs.
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Pope Marx is just misunderstood.
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Well we already knew the Pope is socialist, but it appears now with all the other things he has said to contradict church doctrine that he isn't really a Christian either.

I'm not Catholic, but I'm embarrassed for Catholics everywhere. Before this Pope I didn't disagree with too many things the church did in public. I for sure disagreed with a lot of the private goings on before.

If the Pope continues down this path I wonder if more Catholics will go to a different Christian Church.
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can we bring back the Holy Roman Empire that conquered lands and kingdoms, ill start going to church again !

some men you just cant reach ...
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I like that Christianity is so malleable that you can pick and choose whichever sect suits your taste buds. You can go as fundamental to as liberal as you like, with a taste of Kanye in between.

It leaves a lot of room to get judgmental with the other sects, which feels pretty good.
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azulAg said:

can we bring back the Holy Roman Empire that conquered lands and kingdoms, ill start going to church again !




117 AD is just the Roman Empire.

The Holy Roman Empire is Germany.

But I'm okay with Germany.

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Ellis Wyatt
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Faustus said:

I like that Christianity is so malleable that you can pick and choose whichever sect suits your taste buds.
Well, not exactly.
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i was never good at pre 1776 history
some men you just cant reach ...
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I read a tweet the other day that said "'is the Pope catholic' was once used as an expression of surety. now it is a legitimate question."
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UTExan said:

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize_12262019

Strange world we live in when it is up to a pop star to promote Christian beliefs and the ostensible leader of the largest Christian church in the world is in denial over Muslim fundamentalism and blames Christians with unchanging beliefs.
From the comment section....
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I think Michael Snyder needs to check his facts:
The pope's full answer (via Google translate):

Let's go to your first. When I taught what a look and what words I had towards believing children or of other religions. But in Argentina there is a social phenomenon, which is the migratory phenomenon. After the two great wars there were waves of migration from Europe, also from Asia Minor and the Italians. He thinks that 40% of Argentines have an Italian surname, almost the other 40 Spanish. Then Poles, Russians, all even Arabs, whom we called "Turks" because they came with the passport of the great Ottoman Empire. There is a mixture of blood, a strong mixed race in Argentina I am the son of a migrant, and this has made a culture of coexistence. I went to public school and we always had companions from other religions. We were educated to coexist: "There is a Jew, Russian, ah come, come! I am a friend of Russian!" They said Russian because the majority of the Jews came from Odessa, some from Poland but the majority from Odessa. Then there were some Arabs, Lebanese, Syrians "Ah, Turkish! Come, come!" This was Muslim, this was Jewish. But we all played football together, we were all friends.

This has taught me so much, that we are all the same, all children of God and this purifies your gaze, it makes you human. In Argentina there is a small group of closed-minded Catholics who do not want Jews, do not want Muslims, but this group I have never liked it, is a group that is on the fringe, they have a cultural magazine but they do not have impact in society This is the secret: You must be consistent with your faith. It didn't occur to me and it doesn't have to be like saying to a boy or a girl: "You are Jewish, you are Muslim: come, be converted!" You be consistent with your faith and that consistency is what will make you mature. We are not in the times of the crusades. It is a bad thing but it made me suffer so much, a step of the "Chanson de Roland," when the Christians, the crusaders had conquered the Muslims and then a line of all the Muslims was queued and the priest was in front of it and a soldier. The priest in front of the baptismal font and everyone came read that passage he asked: "Either the baptism or the sword." This has happened in history! They also do it with us Christians in other parts, they are also doing it but what we did was shameful because it is a story of forced conversion, of not respecting the dignity of the person. This is why my experience was natural with people of other religions because my dad my dad's job was an accountant and he had so many Jewish business clients and they came home, it was normal and I didn't have this as a problem. But it must be normal. Nothing to leave them aside because they have another faith

The first is all. In front of an unbeliever the last thing I have to do is try to convince him. Never. The last thing I have to do is speak. I have to live consistent with my faith. And it will be my testimony to awaken the curiosity of the other who says: "But why do you do this?" And yes, I can speak then. But listen: Never, never bring the gospel by proselytizing. If someone says they are a disciple of Jesus and comes to you with proselytism, they are not a disciple of Jesus. Proselytism is not done, the church does not grow by proselytism. Pope Benedict had said it, it grows by attraction, by testimony. Football teams proselytize, this can be done. Political parties, can be done there. But with faith there is no proselytism. And if someone says to me: "But why?" Read, read, read the Gospel, this is my faith. But without pressure.
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It's obvious he is not a Christian, certainly not a saved one. He is a humanist plain as day.

These are the best of times, the worst of times, the age of enlightenment, the age of foolishness, it is the epoch of belief, it is the epoch of incredulity, it is the season of light, the it is the season darkness, it's the spring of hope, the winter of despair..........

As always, man's struggle is good vs evil.
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UTExan said:

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize_12262019

Strange world we live in when it is up to a pop star to promote Christian beliefs and the ostensible leader of the largest Christian church in the world is in denial over Muslim fundamentalism and blames Christians with unchanging beliefs.
Strange times indeed, we have an opportunity to get on the right track IMO.
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon

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This is reportedly what the Pope said. If true, its heretical:

"The last thing I should do is to try to convince an unbeliever. Never," he said. "The last thing I should do is speak. I should live my faith with consistency. And it will be my witness that will awaken the curiosity of the other who may then ask: 'But why do you do this?' And yes, then I can speak."
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Prostelyzing has always been a difficult element of any faith. In some ways his comment echoes St Francis of Assisi....preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words. This appears, however, to run counter to the great commission.

The great commission made the church what it is. It gave us Paul. The church would become the cornerstone of Western Culture. It also legitimized colonialism and gave us the Inquisition. And there has never been agreement on the red line where sharing one's faith becomes an offense.
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PaulSimonsGhost said:

azulAg said:

can we bring back the Holy Roman Empire that conquered lands and kingdoms, ill start going to church again !




117 AD is just the Roman Empire.

The Holy Roman Empire is Germany.

But I'm okay with Germany.




Hofbrauhaus, my favorite place in Munich.

And definitely not somewhere frequented by totalitarian rulers 90 years ago, nope definitely not.
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Wildcat said:

Prostelyzing has always been a difficult element of any faith. In some ways his comment echoes St Francis of Assisi....preach the Gospel at all times. When necessary, use words. This appears, however, to run counter to the great commission.

The great commission made the church what it is. It gave us Paul. The church would become the cornerstone of Western Culture. It also legitimized colonialism and gave us the Inquisition. And there has never been agreement on the red line where sharing one's faith becomes an offense.
2 Timothy 2 is pretty helpful in this especially the underlined section



A Good Soldier of Christ Jesus
2 You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, 2 and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3 Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to satisfy the one who enlisted him. 5 An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. 6 It is the hard-working farmer who ought to have the first share of the crops. 7 Think over what I say, for the Lord will grant you understanding in everything.
8 Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descended from David, as preached in my gospel, 9 the gospel for which I am suffering and wearing fetters like a criminal. But the word of God is not fettered. 10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain salvation in Christ Jesus with its eternal glory. 11 The saying is sure:
If we have died with him, we shall also live with him;
12 if we endure, we shall also reign with him;
if we deny him, he also will deny us;
13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful
for he cannot deny himself.
A Worker Approved by God
14 Remind them of this, and charge them before the Lord to avoid disputing about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 16 Avoid such godless chatter, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, 17 and their talk will eat its way like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have swerved from the truth by holding that the resurrection is past already. They are upsetting the faith of some. 19 But God's firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity."
20 In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and earthenware, and some for noble use, some for ignoble. 21 If any one purifies himself from what is ignoble, then he will be a vessel for noble use, consecrated and useful to the master of the house, ready for any good work. 22 So shun youthful passions and aim at righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call upon the Lord from a pure heart. 23 Have nothing to do with stupid, senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to every one, an apt teacher, forbearing, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, 26 and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
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UTExan said:

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize_12262019

Strange world we live in when it is up to a pop star to promote Christian beliefs and the ostensible leader of the largest Christian church in the world is in denial over Muslim fundamentalism and blames Christians with unchanging beliefs.


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Hey Catholics... You picked Pope Francis? Seriously?
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Attraction not promotion. Telling ain't selling. It's a simple concept. People are more convinced by your behavior than your words. It's not exactly liberation theology.
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Saxsoon said:

UTExan said:

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize_12262019

Strange world we live in when it is up to a pop star to promote Christian beliefs and the ostensible leader of the largest Christian church in the world is in denial over Muslim fundamentalism and blames Christians with unchanging beliefs.


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Negative. This pope is a political animal.
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Interesting point. Has there been a Pope who has been so political since 1789?
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Wildcat said:

Interesting point. Has there been a Pope who has been so political since 1789?


Yes. But they didn't make a point of being blatantly Anti-American. There have been rumors of Francis turning in other priests to Argentine authorities during the military junta in the 1970s, but I don't think there was corroboration of that.
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UTExan said:

Wildcat said:

Interesting point. Has there been a Pope who has been so political since 1789?


Yes. But they didn't make a point of being blatantly Anti-American. There have been rumors of Francis turning in other priests to Argentine authorities during the military junta in the 1970s, but I don't think there was corroboration of that.

That would be the opposite of his worldview. That would mean he turned in leftist priests during the crackdown on leftist and the "disappeared."
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IDAGG said:

UTExan said:

Wildcat said:

Interesting point. Has there been a Pope who has been so political since 1789?


Yes. But they didn't make a point of being blatantly Anti-American. There have been rumors of Francis turning in other priests to Argentine authorities during the military junta in the 1970s, but I don't think there was corroboration of that.

That would be the opposite of his worldview. That would mean he turned in leftist priests during the crackdown on leftist and the "disappeared."


Yes it would. But it also means that he was a pragmatist who didn't appreciate upstart Liberation theology types who were a threat to his position-he had to get along with the ruling junta: note that the RCC also made accommodations with Red China in order to preserve their status in that country. I don't see him as an ideologue. I see him as a consummate political pope.
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How can people still support the Catholic church? It's actions of covering up sexual assaults by it's priests is absolutely evil. The church has now been taken over by progressives...evil has won.
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UTExan said:

Saxsoon said:

UTExan said:

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/upside-down-kingdom-kanye-west-is-preaching-the-gospel-but-pope-francis-is-telling-people-not-to-evangelize_12262019

Strange world we live in when it is up to a pop star to promote Christian beliefs and the ostensible leader of the largest Christian church in the world is in denial over Muslim fundamentalism and blames Christians with unchanging beliefs.


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Negative. This pope is a political animal.


I wish more Christians in America were opposed to churches and religious leaders getting involved in politics.
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triplemiller said:

How can people still support the Catholic church? It's actions of covering up sexual assaults by it's priests is absolutely evil. The church has now been taken over by progressives...evil has won.


I'm not defending the Catholic Church, but you seem to be alluding to a time period where the church was better than it is now. What time period was that?
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Cassius said:

This is reportedly what the Pope said. If true, its heretical:

"The last thing I should do is to try to convince an unbeliever. Never," he said. "The last thing I should do is speak. I should live my faith with consistency. And it will be my witness that will awaken the curiosity of the other who may then ask: 'But why do you do this?' And yes, then I can speak."


That's not heretical.

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k2aggie07 said:

Cassius said:

This is reportedly what the Pope said. If true, its heretical:

"The last thing I should do is to try to convince an unbeliever. Never," he said. "The last thing I should do is speak. I should live my faith with consistency. And it will be my witness that will awaken the curiosity of the other who may then ask: 'But why do you do this?' And yes, then I can speak."


That's not heretical.



It is absolutely heretical. "The last thing I should do is speak" is heresy. I could post 100 scriptures as evidence but the fact that you support what he says tells me it would be a waste of time.
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I didn't say I supported it. But again, I don't think you know what the word heresy means.

And I bet you can't do 100.
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