Whatever happened to Agie95? This seems like a discussion he would be all over.
Haven't been on this board in awhile....
Haven't been on this board in awhile....
bamdvm said:
Whatever happened to Agie95? This seems like a discussion he would be all over.
Haven't been on this board in awhile....
Win At Life said:
For a quick defense of YHWH's Sabbath:
God declares HIS Sabbath time to be HIS seventh day (Lev 32:2-3) Friday evening to Saturday evening (Lev 23:32) that HE established (Ex 16:26) for both Jews and Gentiles for all time (Num 15:15), which Yeshua kept as was HIS custom (Luke 4:16). Yeshua's resurrection was about HIS feast of First Fruits (Lev 23:10), and has nothing to do with establishing or abolishing any Sabbath, except that mankind who wants to change the Sabbath season, changed it on their own. Also, the Lord's Day, or more accurately Yom YHWH is the Day of the Lord.
Day of the LORD
It is the work of the anti-Christ to change YHWH's appointed times and Laws (Dan 7:25).
The meetings at the head of the week (translators insert "day" which is not in the text; the word is "sabbaton"), were Havdalah services honoring the closing of the Sabbath, which Jews (even ones who believe in Jesus) keep to this day.
Havdalah
Colossians 2:14 is written to a Gentile audience (2:11, 2:13, 3:11) who were being criticized by their pagan friends and family for converting to a Jewish-based religion and Paul is telling them to keep the Sabbath (not abolish it), by not giving into their judgmental attitudes.
Romans 14 is about avoiding pagan ROMAN feast days (or carrying on in spite of them) and not about the Sabbath (the word "Sabbath" is never used in Romans 14)
Roman Festivals
God cares what day you honor HIS Sabbath, whether it be HIS day or a day that seems right in your own eyes, or else He wouldn't have ordered the stoning of the man in Numbers 15:32-35. How many men must YHWH execute for you to believe He is serious? He is a jealous God (Deut 4:24). YHWH's Sabbath day is eternal, for in six days He made the heavens and the earth and declared the seven day to be a Holy Sabbath. He who has ears, let him hear.
Shalom.
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He who has ears, let him hear.
Daniel 3:38-39.Quote:
At this time there is no prince, no prophet, no leader;
There is no whole burnt offering, no sacrifice, no offering, and no incense;
There is no place to bear fruit before You and to find mercy.
Yet with a contrite soul and humbled spirit,
May we receive mercy, as with whole burnt offerings of rams and bulls,
As with thousands of fatted lambs.
So let this be our sacrifice before you today.
You've got this precisely backwards, exactly as the Jews in the NT did. Being of Abraham's family is not what saves. Jesus Christ saves - salvation comes from out of the Jews, but we are saved by Christ, not by being Jewish. We don't become part of Abraham's family, but of God's (1 John 3:2, John 1:12). The promise is not to be "of Abraham," but to be "of Abraham" is to be part of the promise.Quote:
You had better be grafted in and adopted into Abraham's family or else you are not saved. If you are saved then you are and it's way past time you recognized that and embraced it.
Because the Law is the Law, and no part can be taken away from the whole.Quote:
I'm not sure why you changed the topic from Sabbath to circumcision, but you are missing a small, yet incredibly important distinction that I've already mentioned on this thread more than once. The entire discussion about circumcision throughout the New Testament is predicated on the bad Jewish doctrine that circumcision earns salvation (Acts 15:1). Anyone trying to earn salvation through circumcision would indeed also have to keep all the law perfectly. The Law was never given to earn salvation. The Law is God's instruction for us to live right with Him and at peace with you fellow man. That, you both could and should do.
Same accusation made against Christ - and He said He didn't abolish, but to fulfill, to make full, to complete, to fill up. It isn't merely be holy as the Father is holy but be perfect. Not only does He do this, He is this. He is the Law. And so following the Law is to be like Potiphar's wife, who got the robe of Joseph but not what she sought.Quote:
But you're doctrine supports the desire of the Antichrist to abolish YHWH's appointed times and Law. How can you live with that? I fear you know not what you do. He who has eyes to see, let him see.
aggiedad20 said:
God is not the author of confusion...or is He?
The sabbath (all of them) were abolished. Period. But I'm sure some still build fires on Saturday.