502 years of saying no to Johann Tetzel's pushy sales tactics for the church's capital campaign fundraiser.
Agree. I could easily be a Lutheran. Grace, joy, and non condemning. As you know, I think at least all Christians should be able to partake in Communion but that is a small thing.swimmerbabe11 said:
Great video!
swimmerbabe11 said:
He is a fantastic pastor with an infectious energy. He was the synod cantor, but just retired. Incredible musician with a love for the liturgy.It was fun to see.
Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
Martin Q. Blank said:Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
Ronnie said:Martin Q. Blank said:Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
Catholics believe Jesus is the head of the church.
Good, so the bishop of Rome is not.Ronnie said:Catholics believe Jesus is the head of the church.Martin Q. Blank said:Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
No he's not.jrico2727 said:
Ronnie answered you correctly. Jesus is the founder and head of the Catholic Church. The Pope is his vicar.
Yes that's correct, the Bishop of Rome is not the head of the Catholic Church.Martin Q. Blank said:Good, so the bishop of Rome is not.Ronnie said:Catholics believe Jesus is the head of the church.Martin Q. Blank said:Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
When Christ gave the Keys to Peter (Matthew 16 :19) those were the keys of authority. This is a callback to Isaiah 22 when God gives the authority of the household of the King to Eliakim. (Vicar, Master of the House, Chamberlain of the House, etc)Martin Q. Blank said:No he's not.jrico2727 said:
Ronnie answered you correctly. Jesus is the founder and head of the Catholic Church. The Pope is his vicar.
Martin Q. Blank said:Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
AgLiving06 said:Martin Q. Blank said:Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
This is not the right first step.
The right first step is:
Step 1: The bishop of Rome does not have supreme power over the Church (i.e. Papal Supremacy).
Ronnie said:AgLiving06 said:Martin Q. Blank said:Step 1. The bishop of Rome is not the head of the church.jrico2727 said:
500 years of schism is just sad. There is plenty of blame on all sides. One of Jesus's last prayers before his passion was for Christians to be one as he and the Father are one. All of us have disappointed our Lord and should sincerely try reconcile rather than multiply by dividing.
This is not the right first step.
The right first step is:
Step 1: The bishop of Rome does not have supreme power over the Church (i.e. Papal Supremacy).
Yeah, I see where you are going here. Do you reject the Pope's primacy among the Bishops or just the hierarchy in general?
AgLiving06 said:
The problem with Martin's question is that it gave Roman Catholics a way to avoid the actual issue, as we saw occur. I wanted to make sure it was clear what will keep the Church separated and has since 1054.
Ronnie said:AgLiving06 said:
The problem with Martin's question is that it gave Roman Catholics a way to avoid the actual issue, as we saw occur. I wanted to make sure it was clear what will keep the Church separated and has since 1054.
Happy schism day?
I listened to the Orthodox convert to Lutheranism. Although he was baptized Lutheran and went to Lutheran school growing up, so does it really count?swimmerbabe11 said:
omg the muslim one.
seriously. Listen to that. He was in the Muslim Brotherhood.
Jaydoug said:
Also, Protestants (and I used to be one) point toward the sufficiency of the Bible compiled by an Ecumenical Council of Bishops but toss out everything else they agreed on for the first several hundred years. So, one would assume they felt the compilation of the book was inspired by God but that's it. They'd also assume Martin Luther tossing out books from the Bible 1,200 years later also to be God inspired.