Anybody else watch the Jesus series

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1:36p, 4/16/19
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on the History channel. I enjoyed it and especially the varied commentators.
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4:27p, 4/16/19
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They could have stayed with people who knew the Bible and Christianity and left Joel Osteen out of it.
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In reply to Martin Cash • 4:58p, 4/16/19
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i like Joel Osteen.
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6:22p, 4/16/19
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Was there a surprise ending?
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In reply to schmendeler • 6:25p, 4/16/19
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Not bad my friend.
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In reply to Martin Cash • 12:16p, 4/17/19
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Martin Cash said:
They could have stayed with people who knew the Bible and Christianity and left Joel Osteen out of it.
Started watching it, saw Osteen and turned the channel.
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In reply to dermdoc • 1:53p, 4/17/19
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Why? He doesn't even preach with the Bible???
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Every sermon I have listened to he preaches from Bible verses And his daily devotionals always start with a verse. Maybe your experience is different than mine?
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In reply to dermdoc • 2:00p, 4/18/19
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dermdoc said:
Every sermon I have listened to he preaches from Bible verses And his daily devotionals always start with a verse. Maybe your experience is different than mine?
I also enjoy listening to Joel. There are a lot of folks who don't, and that's ok too. He (indirectly) helped me thru some rough patches and I enjoy his positive messages of faith and hope.

And yes, he references the Bible often in each and every message.
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In reply to zephyr88 • 5:16p, 4/18/19
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zephyr88 said:
dermdoc said:
Every sermon I have listened to he preaches from Bible verses And his daily devotionals always start with a verse. Maybe your experience is different than mine?
I also enjoy listening to Joel. There are a lot of folks who don't, and that's ok too. He (indirectly) helped me thru some rough patches and I enjoy his positive messages of faith and hope.

And yes, he references the Bible often in each and every message.
Agree. And Happy Easter! He is risen!
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In reply to zephyr88 • 8:03p, 4/21/19
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zephyr88 said:
dermdoc said:
Every sermon I have listened to he preaches from Bible verses And his daily devotionals always start with a verse. Maybe your experience is different than mine?
I also enjoy listening to Joel. There are a lot of folks who don't, and that's ok too. He (indirectly) helped me thru some rough patches and I enjoy his positive messages of faith and hope.

And yes, he references the Bible often in each and every message.
Any preacher who lives in a $5 million house is a charlatan.
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In reply to Martin Cash • 8:37p, 4/21/19
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Can you get 15,000 people come watch you speak?
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In reply to Martin Cash • 8:45p, 4/21/19
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Leave Alfonso Ribeiro out of this!
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In reply to Martin Cash • 8:58p, 4/21/19
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Martin Cash said:
zephyr88 said:
dermdoc said:
Every sermon I have listened to he preaches from Bible verses And his daily devotionals always start with a verse. Maybe your experience is different than mine?
I also enjoy listening to Joel. There are a lot of folks who don't, and that's ok too. He (indirectly) helped me thru some rough patches and I enjoy his positive messages of faith and hope.

And yes, he references the Bible often in each and every message.
Any preacher who lives in a $5 million house is a charlatan.
Glad Solomon wasn't a preacher. Just wrote quite a bit of the Bible.
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In reply to schmendeler • 10:04p, 4/21/19
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Leave Alfonso Ribeiro out of this!


It took me a bit, but i get it... i chuckled...
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In reply to NSTN8 • 10:23p, 4/21/19
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I was feeling especially corny.
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In reply to Stringfellow Hawke • 9:50a, 4/22/19
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brs4688 said:
Can you get 15,000 people come watch you speak?
Huh? Can you run a mile under 4 minutes?
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In reply to Martin Cash • 10:19a, 4/22/19
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Meaning the thousands of people who attend services every week and enjoy his message. Just because you do not enjoy his word or think he is ripping people off does not make you right. Why don't you try going around complimenting people instead of criticizing.
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10:38a, 4/22/19
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I have not seen this series but I think any Christian with nominal familiarity with good scripture teaching would know Joel Osteen isn't exactly your go-to guy for in-depth analysis. Joel Osteen provides Christian-themed pep-talks and self-help.

They are probably using him as a celebrity draw to get all his viewers to watch.

I'll have to watch it to see if I have any specific objections.



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In reply to Frok • 10:54a, 4/22/19
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So to be clear, you are going to Monday morning quarterback a guy who has built a church of thousands and thousands, written numerous books and fills stadiums with people who want to hear his message? I don't get it.
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In reply to Stringfellow Hawke • 10:59a, 4/22/19
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It's not "Monday Morning Quarterbacking", it's using discernment when listening to various teachers to determine if what they are saying is true. Don't be swayed by the number of followers, many false teachers have lots of followers.

My issue against Joel is the false view of Christianity that he portrays. He gives the impression that if you pray, read scripture, and say positive things it will go well with you. Then inevitably something goes wrong and you end up questioning God altogether.

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In reply to Frok • 11:08a, 4/22/19
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To me, that is not how he presents his message but each to his own. I have much more trouble with somebody like John Piper who says you can lose your salvation if you retire and do nothing. Or Francis Chan who also questions your salvation unless you live like him. But that is just me.
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In reply to Frok • 11:15a, 4/22/19
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At the end of each sermon, he says, get in a bible based church, keep God 1st in your life and He will take you where you have never been. Amen.

Anyway, God Bless and have a great day.
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11:17a, 4/22/19
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I think what Piper and Chan are implying is that if you have little to no devotion to God then you should question if you really believe. I know it's not a warm fuzzy thought. But it should invoke self-examination of yourself.

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In reply to Stringfellow Hawke • 11:25a, 4/22/19
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brs4688 said:
At the end of each sermon, he says, get in a bible based church, keep God 1st in your life and He will take you where you have never been. Amen.

Anyway, God Bless and have a great day.


Have a good day. I apologize as I wasn't trying to insult anyone for liking Joel.
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In reply to Frok • 11:30a, 4/22/19
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You have a great day my brother in Christ.
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In reply to Stringfellow Hawke • 12:03p, 4/22/19
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brs4688 said:
So to be clear, you are going to Monday morning quarterback a guy who has built a church of thousands and thousands, written numerous books and fills stadiums with people who want to hear his message? I don't get it.
None of those have anything to do with whether the guy is speaking the truth or not. I'm not saying he is or is not, but this is not a defense of his message as an authentic expression of Christianity.
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In reply to Stringfellow Hawke • 2:20p, 4/22/19
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brs4688 said:
So to be clear, you are going to Monday morning quarterback a guy who has built a church of thousands and thousands, written numerous books and fills stadiums with people who want to hear his message? I don't get it.
Uh, yes. False prophets do that all the time.
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In reply to dermdoc • 6:41p, 4/22/19
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dermdoc said:
To me, that is not how he presents his message but each to his own. I have much more trouble with somebody like John Piper who says you can lose your salvation if you retire and do nothing. Or Francis Chan who also questions your salvation unless you live like him. But that is just me.


I'm probably naive on this, but can't say I'm familiar with these criticisms of Piper and Chan.

As far as Osteen, I tend to agree with this harsh criticism


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6:45p, 4/22/19
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I generally don't trust anyone with a permed mullet.
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In reply to bigcat22 • 7:01p, 4/22/19
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John Piper from his book Rethinking Retirement

"So when the fear of persevering raises its head, don't try to overcome it by saying "Oh, there is no danger, we don't need to persevere". You do. There will be NO salvation in the end for people who do not fight the good fight and finish the race and keep the faith and treasure Christ's appearing."

So no salvation unless you adhere to what Piper says which is definitely not Scriptural. And from a "10 point Calvinist". Read what these guys actually say and not how they say it,

Chan stuff to follow.

And edited to add that there is nothing wrong with Piper stating his views and theology on retirement. The problem is when he unequivocally says you will lose your salvation unless you believe as he does. And if he is truly a Calvinist, how can an elect "lose" their salvation? Horrible theology.
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7:31p, 4/22/19
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Francis Chan questions the salvation of "lukewarm" Christians. And he defines what that means according to him. Does that mean you have to be in church a certain number of days, visit a certain number of the sick, go to prisons, give the amount of money Chan thinks is appropriate?

This is Lordship salvation where pastors, not Jesus or Scripture define what it takes to be a Christian. Horrible theology.
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In reply to dermdoc • 7:31p, 4/22/19
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I mean... I don't know what context came with that quote, and I don't have any idea at all what retirement from our job has to do with salvation...

But there's nothing unscriptural about the link between salvation and perseverance.

Jesus Christ says it twice in St Matthew's gospel -

"Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved."

"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved."

And in St Luke's
"By your patient endurance, you will gain your souls."

"But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance."

St Paul says "God 'will repay each one according to his deeds.' To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life."


St James, "Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him" and "We count those blessed who endured."

Hebrews says "For you have need of endurance, so that, having done the will of God, you may receive the promise."


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In reply to Zobel • 7:33p, 4/22/19
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k2aggie07 said:
I mean... I don't know what context came with that quote, and I don't have any idea at all what retirement from our job has to do with salvation...

But there's nothing unscriptural about the link between salvation and perseverance.

Jesus Christ says it twice in St Matthew's gospel -

"Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved."

"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved."

And in St Luke's
"By your patient endurance, you will gain your souls."

"But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance."

St Paul says "God 'will repay each one according to his deeds.' To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life."


St James, "Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him" and "We count those blessed who endured."

Hebrews says "For you have need of endurance, so that, having done the will of God, you may receive the promise."


Agree. But Piper is a proclaimed Calvinist. And I am very wary when a preacher condemns people to hell.

And I doubt if Orthodox theology condemns people to hell if they retire and relax a little.
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7:34p, 4/22/19
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As for being "lukewarm"... Revelation 3 says "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you would be cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am about to spit you out of My mouth...He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

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