Dinosaur Board: The Day the Dinosaurs Died

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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/08/the-day-the-dinosaurs-died

Great Article, though long.

TLDR: Paleontologist discovers what appears to be immediate victims of the Extinction level event that killed off the Dinosaurs.

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Thanks for sharing. My son will love this. We're actually going on a dino road trip this summer for my son's 13th. Going up through Colorado (Dinosaur Resource Center & Dinosaur Ridge), then to an actual dig site in the Hell Creek formation in South Dakota. It's going to be so fun.
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PacifistAg said:

Thanks for sharing. My son will love this. We're actually going on a dino road trip this summer for my son's 13th. Going up through Colorado (Dinosaur Resource Center & Dinosaur Ridge), then to an actual dig site in the Hell Creek formation in South Dakota. It's going to be so fun.

Oh, that sounds like so much fun.
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In other Dino news, I read this last week:

http:///www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-47684989

It would be awesome to spend a couple of days at a dig.
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Interesting article, I will have to remember to follow up on the reaction to his paper.
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I thought the KT boundary has been known for quite a while now. Also , I believe it's generally been proven the impact is still visible at the tip of the Yucatn peninsula.
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Discussed this article w/ my son last night. He was fascinated, and is clearly not a fan of Horner's "t-rex's were scavengers" theory. He's a huge fan of Robert Bakker though.
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JJMt said:

It's interesting to read accounts describing how Alvarez worked to destroy the careers of every scientist who disagreed with his thesis that the impact caused the dinosaur extinction. Those accounts shed a lot of light about what we supposedly "know" about science, and how effective science is at self-correcting.
You should check out the book A Short History of Nearly Everything, by Bill Bryson. In addition to giving a fascinating (and fun) survey of many scientific fields, he also looks at the scientists involved in many of the key scientific breakthroughs and discoveries. Many of the men (and women) involved were incredibly petty and flawed, actively seeking to not only sabotage the reputations of those who backed competing theories but also attempting to sabotage their work as well. Some of the stories make Game of Thrones look like a kindergarten playground fight by comparison.

The "dispassionate" man of science is largely a self-serving myth.
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What I've never seen anybody discuss, at least in the articles that have come across my screen, is whether the extinction event could have been due to multiple causes, such as the impacts and the volcanoes in India. Why does it have to be one or the other?
Truth.
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You should check out the book A Short History of Nearly Everything, by Bill Bryson. In addition to giving a fascinating (and fun) survey of many scientific fields, he also looks at the scientists involved in many of the key scientific breakthroughs and discoveries. Many of the men (and women) involved were incredibly petty and flawed, actively seeking to not only sabotage the reputations of those who backed competing theories but also attempting to sabotage their work as well. Some of the stories make Game of Thrones look like a kindergarten playground fight by comparison.
That's what I was thinking when I read about Horner's reaction to De Palma's discovery of a hadrosaur's fused vertebrae with a t-rex tooth inside, which went against Horner's theory that the tyrannosaurus was a scavenger. He came across very petty with his comment about not really knowing him because they don't really know "students".

I was reading up on Bakker and I know that he and Horner are considered rivals. This is from Bakker's wiki page:
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Bakker and his 1986 book are mentioned in the original Jurassic Park. The bearded paleontologist Dr. Robert Burke, who is eaten by a Tyrannosaurus rex in Steven Spielberg's film The Lost World: Jurassic Park, is an affectionate caricature of Bakker. In real life, Bakker has argued for a predatory T. rex, while Bakker's rival paleontologist Jack Horner views it as primarily a scavenger. According to Horner, Spielberg wrote the character of Burke and had him killed by the T. rex as a favor for Horner. After the film came out, Bakker recognized himself in Burke, loved the caricature, and actually sent Horner a message saying, "See, I told you T. rexwas a hunter!".

Horner comes across as very petty.
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PacifistAg said:


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You should check out the book A Short History of Nearly Everything, by Bill Bryson. In addition to giving a fascinating (and fun) survey of many scientific fields, he also looks at the scientists involved in many of the key scientific breakthroughs and discoveries. Many of the men (and women) involved were incredibly petty and flawed, actively seeking to not only sabotage the reputations of those who backed competing theories but also attempting to sabotage their work as well. Some of the stories make Game of Thrones look like a kindergarten playground fight by comparison.
That's what I was thinking when I read about Horner's reaction to De Palma's discovery of a hadrosaur's fused vertebrae with a t-rex tooth inside, which went against Horner's theory that the tyrannosaurus was a scavenger. He came across very petty with his comment about not really knowing him because they don't really know "students".

I was reading up on Bakker and I know that he and Horner are considered rivals. This is from Bakker's wiki page:
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Bakker and his 1986 book are mentioned in the original Jurassic Park. The bearded paleontologist Dr. Robert Burke, who is eaten by a Tyrannosaurus rex in Steven Spielberg's film The Lost World: Jurassic Park, is an affectionate caricature of Bakker. In real life, Bakker has argued for a predatory T. rex, while Bakker's rival paleontologist Jack Horner views it as primarily a scavenger. According to Horner, Spielberg wrote the character of Burke and had him killed by the T. rex as a favor for Horner. After the film came out, Bakker recognized himself in Burke, loved the caricature, and actually sent Horner a message saying, "See, I told you T. rexwas a hunter!".

Horner comes across as very petty.
Yes, he does. Burke, by comparison, comes across as very gracious and self-aware.
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amercer said:

In other Dino news, I read this last week:

http:///www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-47684989

It would be awesome to spend a couple of days at a dig.


No saddles, clearly fake
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Anyone else hum the title of this thread to "American Pie" by Don Mclean?
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Frok said:

Anyone else hum the title of this thread to "American Pie" by Don Mclean?
"So Bye, Bye, Tyrannosaurus Rex
An asteroid killed all your friends so now you're vexed
All the mammals were celebrating and having joyful cries
Singing this is the day the dinosaurs die
This is the day the dinosaurs die"

It's all I've got, I'm sure some of y'all could do much better.
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