Beating Guns

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Beating Guns: Hope for People Who Are Weary of Violence

This book, by Shane Claiborne and Mike Martin (RAWtools founder) is being released tomorrow. I was sent an advanced copy, and just finished it. Wanted to get word out because it really is a fantastic read. It looks at the gun issue from an Isaiah 2:4 perspective, obviously. Discusses the history and culture of guns in American society, and is almost entirely focused on Kingdom solutions to the problems we see today. They are not anarchist, so there are some references to "commonsense gun reforms", but it's clearly not the purpose behind the book. Even when they do talk about enacting such reforms, it's always after the disclaimer that laws won't change hearts.

Regardless of where one stands on the political aspect of the issue, I think you'll find much in this book to agree with. There was a lot of information, especially regarding the history of the gun industry in America, that I had never known so it was helpful in that regard.
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Wow. The summary is all you need.
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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/12/foghorn/guns-violence-united-states-numbers/
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I'm sure law abiding citizens turning their hunting rifles into shovels will prevent all of those Chicago gang murders. Why don't you cut off your wang to prevent sex trafficking in Thailand while you're at it?
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Interesting... not trying to hide the sickle and hammer coming out of the guns.

I don't think that is unintended and pity people who push for communism.
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I purchase all manner of firearms from folks who do not want them around any more. I don't care why. I don't ask why. I simply make them go away for them. I love guns. They don't want guns. It's win win and I'm doing both sides a favor.
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For anyone interested, they'll be starting their book tour on March 8, and will be coming to Waco and Dallas on the 19th & 20th, respectively. Would love to see some of y'all in Waco.

https://www.beatingguns.com/tour
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OnlyForNow said:

Interesting... not trying to hide the sickle and hammer coming out of the guns.

I don't think that is unintended and pity people who push for communism.

Knowing one of the authors personally, and being well acquainted with the writings of the other, I feel confident in saying you're reading way too much into it. Neither are pushing for communism.
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I read the synopsis on Amazon, and get the premise of turning the guns into farming and other tools. But the authors should have had someone look at that and easily decipher that it would be interpreted as a push for the USSR. It is clearly a hammer and sickle... either that or their artist is making their own assumptions about the book.
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Perhaps because I'm familiar with the authors, I never once thought "communism" or "USSR" when I saw the cover. It never crossed my mind until you had mentioned. I just thought, "ooh, that's a cool tattoo idea".

I think only a small minority would immediately make that jump.
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Maybe I'm just looking for it.
I'll admit the attempts to secure socialism in this country sicken me.
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Okay. That's really for another thread on another board. I would recommend checking the book out. It's very Kingdom-centered.
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Thank you and sorry for the derail.
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I would be very wary of clergy advising ME I should give up my guns. Perhaps when they give up their salaries, food and houses I will take them more seriously.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

I'm sure law abiding citizens turning their hunting rifles into shovels will prevent all of those Chicago gang murders. Why don't you cut off your wang to prevent sex trafficking in Thailand while you're at it?

Maybe the funniest thing Martin has ever said.
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I enjoy my guns.
I am fascinated by them and think of them merely as tools.

I am no longer in the waco area or I would definitely try to meet you for a beer or two, but would have to respectfully decline the invitation to support this book. I appreciate with their greater good and kingdom mindset but adamantly disagree with their political component.

I'm also hesitant to purchase anything that knowingly puts Shaun king on its endorsement list. He is a fraud.
But that is a conversation for forum 16.

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"Sometimes we get stuck in our frustration with problems that seem like they will never go away. This book is how we get unstuck on guns."
-- Shaun King, writer, speaker, and activist

NoahAg
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Please remind me: What type of firearm did King David use to "kill his ten thousands?"

Eliminating guns does not eliminate violence. We live in a fallen, violent world. It will always be that way.
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Eliminating guns does not eliminate violence.
You're in agreement with the authors of this book, as they make that point many times.

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We live in a fallen, violent world. It will always be that way.
No, it won't always be that way. As the Prophets tell us, there will be a day when sword is beaten into plowshare, and we will learn of war no more. The authors, and others who hold their views, are simply saying that we, the Church, can be a witness to that world here and now.
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Thou shall not murder and that is a command



Justified killing is not a sin
OnlyForNow
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Peace around the world will be followed by the rapture, no?
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What rapture?
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Should I say the return of Christ on earth?
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Not to derail the thread but have you read Roccas' book Time and Despondency? I think you'd enjoy it.
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Gator03 said:

Not to derail the thread but have you read Roccas' book Time and Despondency? I think you'd enjoy it.

No, I haven't. I'll have to definitely check it out. I just read the description and it looks fascinating. Buying now. Thanks!
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Though the people of the United States total 5 percent of the world's population, they own almost half the world's guns. With well over 300 million guns in the US, there are more guns than people.



SEC! SEC! SEC!
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Eliminatus said:

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Though the people of the United States total 5 percent of the world's population, they own almost half the world's guns. With well over 300 million guns in the US, there are more guns than people.



SEC! SEC! SEC!


Lol, this made me chuckle
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BrazosDog02 said:

I purchase all manner of firearms from folks who do not want them around any more. I don't care why. I don't ask why. I simply make them go away for them. I love guns. They don't want guns. It's win win and I'm doing both sides a favor.

Curious. What is it about guns that you love?
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What exactly does "Kingdom Centered" mean?

Why in the world aren't you out in the streets getting people out of those deathtrap automobiles?
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Born Maroon said:

What exactly does "Kingdom Centered" mean?
We know, as Isaiah and Micah prophesied, that in the Kingdom of God, sword will be beaten into plowshare and we will learn of war no more. Being "Kingdom-centered" means to live our lives as witnesses to that Kingdom here and now. If we are citizens of that Kingdom, then our lives should reflect that.
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Born Maroon said:

What exactly does "Kingdom Centered" mean?

Why in the world aren't you out in the streets getting people out of those deathtrap automobiles?
Deathtrap autos and motorcycles don't have the same political cachet as guns.

And nobody seems to understand that the kingdom to come will be when Jesus returns and establishes His 1,000 year reign as described in Revelation. Then there will be saints living and resurrected to govern with Him and He will rule with a rod of iron. Imagine the government of Jesus and hundreds of millions of immortal, incorruptible saints ruling under His authority (Revelation 20:6). It will be paradise with real justice and real consequences.
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AstroAg17 said:

Is nobody going to mention that it's a hammer and pickaxe, not a hammer and sickle?

Am I missing something?

They went with a pickaxe to disguise their true communist agenda.
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I would have never seen it if it wasn't pointed out..and it is completely a total stretch, but if I squint and imagine any time you cross two tools/weapons, it references socialism, then I can see it.

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Oh I'm not seeing it either. I imagine the stars came from those who would star basically any anti-'swords to plowshares' sentiment.

As I looked at it longer, I was surprised the red from the fire and leaves didn't get lumped in as part of the Soviet propaganda.
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