Satanic ornaments keep getting stolen

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gordo97
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I bet it's those darn Slayer fans that keep doing it

https://relevantmagazine.com/current/nation/satanists-are-mad-that-someone-keeps-stealing-their-satanic-christmas-ornaments/
Martin Q. Blank
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Do they think theft is a sin?
Duncan Idaho
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Do they think theft is a sin?

The people stealing them or the members of the Church of Satan?

Because of members of the Church of Satan sure do believe that stealing is wrong.
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Duncan Idaho said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

Do they think theft is a sin?

The people stealing them or the members of the Church of Satan?

Because of members of the Church of Satan sure do believe that stealing is wrong.
why?

Why is stealing wrong?
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
Duncan Idaho
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Well from their perspective it violates at least one of their tenets

*One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
Martin Q. Blank
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It's reasonable for me to take something that I want, especially from a creature that is weaker than I am.
Duncan Idaho
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I understand empathy is a difficult concept to grasp for most people on this board
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Martin Q. Blank said:

It's reasonable for me to take something that I want, especially from a creature that is weaker than I am.
not if you value a society where one's possessions are respected as belonging to you alone.
Martin Q. Blank
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Duncan Idaho said:

I understand empathy is a difficult concept to grasp for most people on this board
Well we're Americans built on certain traditional values.
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Duncan Idaho said:

Well from their perspective it violates at least one of their tenets

*One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

Why? Why should one strive to "act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason."?

Is it OK if I reason that since a simple life is a better life, I AM acting with compassion and empathy by relieving them of another burden?
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
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Dad-O-Lot said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Well from their perspective it violates at least one of their tenets

*One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

Why? Why should one strive to "act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.love your neighbor as yourself"?


Same same. The only to reasons is that you do it out of empathy or you do it out fear of punishment. Personally, empathy provides more motivation than fear of hell.

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Is it OK if I reason that since a simple life is a better life, I AM acting with compassion and empathy by relieving them of another burden?


Even setting aside the empathy piece of this, since that seems so difficult to grasp..and how stupid of a Position this is.
If you beleived tha by taking those things you were improving his life, you would be burdening your own life, so it wouldn't be very rational.

But but hey, it has been a while since we had a good old fashion thread where the most vocal Christian's loudly proclaim "if I don't believe God would send me to hell, I'd spend my days raping, killing and stealing."
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Martin Q. Blank said:

It's reasonable for me to take something that I want, especially from a creature that is weaker than I am.


We evolved empathy for a reason. It's a selective advantage.
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Dad-O-Lot said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Well from their perspective it violates at least one of their tenets

*One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

Why? Why should one strive to "act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason."?

Is it OK if I reason that since a simple life is a better life, I AM acting with compassion and empathy by relieving them of another burden?


You're confusing evolution with selfishness.
Martin Q. Blank
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Dr. Watson said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

It's reasonable for me to take something that I want, especially from a creature that is weaker than I am.
We evolved empathy for a reason. It's a selective advantage.
What does that have to do with what I said?
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most vocal Christian's loudly proclaim "if I don't believe God would send me to hell, I'd spend my days raping, killing and stealing."

No one is actually saying this. We are noting that there are certainly cultures of the present and past that did horrific things to humans and it's a very human thing to dehumanize someone else and excuse the behavior you mention above.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Dr. Watson said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

It's reasonable for me to take something that I want, especially from a creature that is weaker than I am.
We evolved empathy for a reason. It's a selective advantage.
What does that have to do with what I said?


There's a logical reason for not condoning stealing that has nothing to do with religion.
Duncan Idaho
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diehard03 said:

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most vocal Christian's loudly proclaim "if I don't believe God would send me to hell, I'd spend my days raping, killing and stealing."

No one is actually saying this. We are noting that there are certainly cultures of the present and past that did horrific things to humans and it's a very human thing to dehumanize someone else and excuse the behavior you mention above.


There have been a number of threads on this board wmhere this was posted. I can't remember all of the posters but notafraid, bustup, and klien(?) Are the ones that come to mind.

Notafraid in particular lusted after the ability to rape and murder and lemented that he wasn't able to because God would send him to hell.

I was referencing those threads/posters.
94chem
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Not condoning stealing, but out of curiosity, whose birth are they celebrating?
diehard03
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There have been a number of threads on this board wmhere this was posted. I can't remember all of the posters but notafraid, bustup, and klien(?) Are the ones that come to mind.

Notafraid in particular lusted after the ability to rape and murder and lemented that he wasn't able to because God would send him to hell.

I was referencing those threads/posters.

I understand. I see we have a new generation of silliness.

However, just for the record, I do think it's flawed thinking to assume that a Godless society would just naturally evolve to be utopia.
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Not condoning stealing, but out of curiosity, whose birth are they celebrating?

No one's. We do need to accept that there's a Christmas that religious people celebrate and a Christmas that secular people celebrate.
Duncan Idaho
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diehard03 said:

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There have been a number of threads on this board wmhere this was posted. I can't remember all of the posters but notafraid, bustup, and klien(?) Are the ones that come to mind.

Notafraid in particular lusted after the ability to rape and murder and lemented that he wasn't able to because God would send him to hell.

I was referencing those threads/posters.

I understand. I see we have a new generation of silliness.

However, just for the record, I do think it's flawed thinking to assume that a Godless society would just naturally evolve to be utopia.

I don't think anyone thinks that, even satanists

Hence their other tenets, including:

*The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
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Duncan Idaho said:

Dad-O-Lot said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Well from their perspective it violates at least one of their tenets

*One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

Why? Why should one strive to "act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.love your neighbor as yourself"?


Same same. The only to reasons is that you do it out of empathy or you do it out fear of punishment. Personally, empathy provides more motivation than fear of hell.

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Is it OK if I reason that since a simple life is a better life, I AM acting with compassion and empathy by relieving them of another burden?


Even setting aside the empathy piece of this, since that seems so difficult to grasp..and how stupid of a Position this is.
If you beleived tha by taking those things you were improving his life, you would be burdening your own life, so it wouldn't be very rational.

But but hey, it has been a while since we had a good old fashion thread where the most vocal Christian's loudly proclaim "if I don't believe God would send me to hell, I'd spend my days raping, killing and stealing."
Ignoring the hyperbole -- Why is empathy good?

If I were to take them and throw them in the trash, I would be unburdening him and not burdening myself. It also feels good to help others.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
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Dr. Watson said:

Dad-O-Lot said:

Duncan Idaho said:

Well from their perspective it violates at least one of their tenets

*One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

Why? Why should one strive to "act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason."?

Is it OK if I reason that since a simple life is a better life, I AM acting with compassion and empathy by relieving them of another burden?


You're confusing evolution with selfishness.
How so? Where did I reference evolution or selfishness?
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and for the record, I have made no statements or assumptions about what a "godless society" would do.

I am just asking why.

Why is stealing bad?

Why is empathy good?
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
diehard03
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I don't think anyone thinks that, even satanists

Hence their other tenets, including:

*The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

Yes they do. The whole Satan thing is a joke. They don't actually believe in Satan.
Martin Q. Blank
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Dr. Watson said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

Dr. Watson said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

It's reasonable for me to take something that I want, especially from a creature that is weaker than I am.
We evolved empathy for a reason. It's a selective advantage.
What does that have to do with what I said?
There's a logical reason for not condoning stealing that has nothing to do with religion.
There's a logical reason for stealing that has nothing to do with religion.
Duncan Idaho
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diehard03 said:

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I don't think anyone thinks that, even satanists

Hence their other tenets, including:

*The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

Yes they do. The whole Satan thing is a joke. They don't actually believe in Satan.

I know they don't believe in Satan. I am saying they don't believe that there will ever be some kind of Utopia, with or without any amount of religion.

94chem
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diehard03 said:

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Not condoning stealing, but out of curiosity, whose birth are they celebrating?

No one's. We do need to accept that there's a Christmas that religious people celebrate and a Christmas that secular people celebrate.


Fine, then. I'm on my way out to the mall to pick out some FUBU threads and a nursing bra.
Duncan Idaho
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You do you
diehard03
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Fine, then. I'm on my way out to the mall to pick out some FUBU threads and a nursing bra.

I'm not sure why you want to ignore that many secular Americans love to decorate a Christmas tree, leave cookies out for Santa and buy presents for their loved ones with no thought or concern towards Jesus.

It's pretty clear that there are "2 Christmases" that happen in our culture.
94chem
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More like 17.

Sure, but other religions don't call it Christmas. They call it Hannukah or Kwanzaa. And if they're not religious, they say holiday decorations. Perhaps the Satanists could call it Herod Day. I could dig that.
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More like 17.

Sure, but other religions don't call it Christmas. They call it Hannukah or Kwanzaa. And if they're not religious, they say holiday decorations. Perhaps the Satanists could call it Herod Day. I could dig that.

This is still such a strange take to me. Christians literally celebrate both Christmas traditions. They do the Tree, Santa, gifts, watch Die Hard...and do the all the Jesus stuff. You'd have a much stronger point if Christians didn't do a single part of the secular Christmas and the Satanists where making mock manger scenes or something. Then bringing up Hannukah and Kwanzaa would make sense.

Also, secular people may say "happy holidays", but they still use Christmas in all the other appropriate settings.
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94chem said:

Not condoning stealing, but out of curiosity, whose birth are they celebrating?


People celebrated Yule time long before christians decided that their religious festival should be at the winter equinox.
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Fake religion simply meant to troll Christians.

But stealing is wrong.
Duncan Idaho
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Seamaster said:

Fake religion simply meant to troll Christians.

But stealing is wrong.

Agree on both points
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