Exploding Meteor May Have Wiped Out Ancient Dead Sea Communities

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DENVER A superheated blast from the skies obliterated cities and farming settlements north of the Dead Sea around 3,700 years ago, preliminary findings suggest.

Radiocarbon dating and unearthed minerals that instantly crystallized at high temperatures indicate that a massive airburst caused by a meteor that exploded in the atmosphere instantaneously destroyed civilization in a 25-kilometer-wide circular plain called Middle Ghor, said archaeologist Phillip Silvia. The event also pushed a bubbling brine of Dead Sea salts over once-fertile farm land, Silvia and his colleagues suspect.

People did not return to the region for 600 to 700 years, said Silvia, of Trinity Southwest University in Albuquerque. He reported these findings at the annual meeting of the American Schools of Oriental Research on November 17.

Excavations at five large Middle Ghor sites, in what's now Jordan, indicate that all were continuously occupied for at least 2,500 years until a sudden, collective collapse toward the end of the Bronze Age. Ground surveys have located 120 additional, smaller settlements in the region that the researchers suspect were also exposed to extreme, collapse-inducing heat and wind. An estimated 40,000 to 65,000 people inhabited Middle Ghor when the cosmic calamity hit, Silvia said...
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...the outer layers of many pieces of pottery from same time period show signs of having melted into glass. Zircon crystals in those glassy coats formed within one second at extremely high temperatures, perhaps as hot as the surface of the sun, Silvia said.

High-force winds created tiny, spherical mineral grains that apparently rained down on Tall el-Hammam, he said. The research team has identified these minuscule bits of rock on pottery fragments at the site.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/exploding-meteor-may-have-wiped-out-ancient-dead-sea-communities
Genesis 19:

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15 And as the dawn came up the angels urged Lot saying, "Get up, take your wife and your two daughters who are staying with you,[i] lest you be destroyed with the punishment of the city." 16 But when he lingered, the men seized him by his hand and his wife's hand, and his two daughters by hand, on account of the mercy of Yahweh upon him. And they brought him out and set him outside of the city. 17 And after bringing them outside one said, "Flee for your life; do not look behind you, and do not stand anywhere in the plain. Flee to the mountains lest you be destroyed." 18 And Lot said to them, "No, please, my lords. 19 Behold, your servant has found favor in your eyes and you have shown me great kindness[j] in saving my life. But I cannot flee to the mountains, lest the disaster overtake me and I die. 20 Behold, this city is near enough to flee there, and it is a little one. Please, let me flee there. Is it not a little one? Then my life shall be saved." 21 And he said to him, "Behold, I will grant this favor as well;[k] that I will not overthrow the city of which you have spoken. 22 Escape there quickly, for I cannot do this thing until you get there." Therefore, there name of the city was called Zoar.
23 After the sun had risen[l] upon the earth and Lot had entered Zoar, 24 Yahweh rained down from heaven upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh. 25 And he overthrew those cities and the whole plain, and the inhabitants of the cities and the vegetation of the ground. 26 But his[m] wife looked back,[n] and she became a pillar of salt. 27 And Abraham arose early in the morning and went to the place where he had stood before Yahweh. 28 And he looked down upon the surface of Sodom and Gomorrah, and upon the whole surface of the land, the plain. And he saw that,[o] behold, the smoke of the land went up like the smoke of a smelting furnace. 29 So it was, when God destroyed the cities of the plain that God remembered Abraham and sent Lot out from the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in which Lot lived.
(Lexham English Bible)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19&version=LEB
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Moral of the story... don't practice homosexuality.
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Very interesting stuff. 1700 BCE would work as being in the early oral Pentateuch era.
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More here.
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Orko said:

Moral of the story... don't practice homosexuality.
Or, you know, don't be arrogant, have abundant food and careless ease while not helping the poor and needy. That was the sin of Sodom.
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Sodom's sins exceeded sexual sins. They were violent people, as evidenced by the account that men of the city demanded access to Lot's guests for the purpose of ravaging them. They were predatory, murderous people.
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Judgment day will be worse than what happened at Sodom.
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PacifistAg said:

Orko said:

Moral of the story... don't practice homosexuality.
Or, you know, don't be arrogant, have abundant food and careless ease while not helping the poor and needy. That was the sin of Sodom.
So your saying that the Sodomites didn't practice sodomy in Sodom.

ETA: I bet they would've produced trans sissy porn too.
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Orko said:

PacifistAg said:

Orko said:

Moral of the story... don't practice homosexuality.
Or, you know, don't be arrogant, have abundant food and careless ease while not helping the poor and needy. That was the sin of Sodom.
So your saying that the Sodomites didn't practice sodomy in Sodom.
Not sure how you jump to that conclusion. I simply posted the verse from the prophet Ezekiel that states what the "sin of Sodom" was.
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PacifistAg said:

Orko said:

PacifistAg said:

Orko said:

Moral of the story... don't practice homosexuality.
Or, you know, don't be arrogant, have abundant food and careless ease while not helping the poor and needy. That was the sin of Sodom.
So your saying that the Sodomites didn't practice sodomy in Sodom.
Not sure how you jump to that conclusion. I simply posted the verse from the prophet Ezekiel that states what the "sin of Sodom" was.
Then why leave out verse 50?

"They have done detestable things before me and I have swept them away."

Why leave out Genesis 19?

"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."

"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."

But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodomboth young and oldsurrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

Does it sound like Lot is concerned that if the men spend the night in the open square that their danger will be due to the Sodomites having abundant food and careless ease while not helping the poor and needy. No, Pacifist, he is afraid they will be raped by sexual degenerates.
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Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Sodom's sins exceeded sexual sins. They were violent people, as evidenced by the account that men of the city demanded access to Lot's guests for the purpose of ravaging them. They were predatory, murderous people.


So like the vast majority of modern Africa then?


I was in west Africa this summer and it was not a violent place, at least in Ghana. It is also a heavily Christianized population. South Africa, on the other hand, though relatively highly developed is very violent.
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Then why leave out verse 50?
Because verse 50 is about the fruits of their sin that's listed in verse 49.
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Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me
The 'thus' is important. Ezekiel talks of the sin, or "guilt" of Sodom. The word 'thus' indicates that the sin led them to be "haughty and commit abominations". The "arrogance, abundant food and careless ease" and "not helping the poor and needy" came first, and led to the other issues. The root issue wasn't homosexuality.
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UTExan said:

Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Sodom's sins exceeded sexual sins. They were violent people, as evidenced by the account that men of the city demanded access to Lot's guests for the purpose of ravaging them. They were predatory, murderous people.


So like the vast majority of modern Africa then?


I was in west Africa this summer and it was not a violent place, at least in Ghana. It is also a heavily Christianized population. South Africa, on the other hand, though relatively highly developed is very violent.


Go look at crime rates in Africa along with general levels of human suffering and then get back to me.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Judgment day will be worse than what happened at Sodom.



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As usual, you have completely skipped over any parts of my reply that you don't have an argument for. Typical Pacifist/GigEm01. Never change, bro. You keep doing you.
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kurt vonnegut said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

Judgment day will be worse than what happened at Sodom.




"Let" God...lol.
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Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Sodom's sins exceeded sexual sins. They were violent people, as evidenced by the account that men of the city demanded access to Lot's guests for the purpose of ravaging them. They were predatory, murderous people.


So like the vast majority of modern Africa then?


I was in west Africa this summer and it was not a violent place, at least in Ghana. It is also a heavily Christianized population. South Africa, on the other hand, though relatively highly developed is very violent.


Go look at crime rates in Africa along with general levels of human suffering and then get back to me.


They suffer and struggle, and parts are indeed violent, but Sodom was prosperous, not poor like Africans. I am afraid you have generalized a whole continent. Their greatest problem is systemic corruption from the highest levels to the lowest rungs of society.

But somehow I knew that a thread about the veracity of God's Word would devolve into a sectarian political debate.
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UTExan said:

Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Sodom's sins exceeded sexual sins. They were violent people, as evidenced by the account that men of the city demanded access to Lot's guests for the purpose of ravaging them. They were predatory, murderous people.


So like the vast majority of modern Africa then?


I was in west Africa this summer and it was not a violent place, at least in Ghana. It is also a heavily Christianized population. South Africa, on the other hand, though relatively highly developed is very violent.


Go look at crime rates in Africa along with general levels of human suffering and then get back to me.


They suffer and struggle, and parts are indeed violent, but Sodom was prosperous, not poor like Africans. I am afraid you have generalized a whole continent. Their greatest problem is systemic corruption from the highest levels to the lowest rungs of society.

But somehow I knew that a thread about the veracity of God's Word would devolve into a sectarian political debate.
China is prosperous, but the regard for human life is likely less than Sodom and Gomorrah. People will run over toddlers and keep going like nothing ever happened there. It's one of the most inhumane places on the planet.

The fact is, Sodom and Gomorrah are absolutely small time in comparison to the sheer levels of human suffering, degeneracy, and immorality we see on a daily basis throughout the world. Hell it's almost certainly eclipsed on a per capita level by many parts of the world such as areas where the Cartels operate or Communism remnants are in control.

And no I haven't generalized an entire continent. The stats on crime rates including rape and murder along with low levels of education, insanely high levels of corruption, etc. are all consistent throughout the continent. The stats are what they are, there is no reason to deny them.
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Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Socially liberal NPC 888 said:

UTExan said:

Sodom's sins exceeded sexual sins. They were violent people, as evidenced by the account that men of the city demanded access to Lot's guests for the purpose of ravaging them. They were predatory, murderous people.


So like the vast majority of modern Africa then?


I was in west Africa this summer and it was not a violent place, at least in Ghana. It is also a heavily Christianized population. South Africa, on the other hand, though relatively highly developed is very violent.


Go look at crime rates in Africa along with general levels of human suffering and then get back to me.


They suffer and struggle, and parts are indeed violent, but Sodom was prosperous, not poor like Africans. I am afraid you have generalized a whole continent. Their greatest problem is systemic corruption from the highest levels to the lowest rungs of society.

But somehow I knew that a thread about the veracity of God's Word would devolve into a sectarian political debate.
China is prosperous, but the regard for human life is likely less than Sodom and Gomorrah. People will run over toddlers and keep going like nothing ever happened there. It's one of the most inhumane places on the planet.

The fact is, Sodom and Gomorrah are absolutely small time in comparison to the sheer levels of human suffering, degeneracy, and immorality we see on a daily basis throughout the world. Hell it's almost certainly eclipsed on a per capita level by many parts of the world such as areas where the Cartels operate or Communism remnants are in control.

And no I haven't generalized an entire continent. The stats on crime rates including rape and murder along with low levels of education, insanely high levels of corruption, etc. are all consistent throughout the continent. The stats are what they are, there is no reason to deny them.
The stats are NOT consistent throughout the entire continent. I am not the development expert but have spent a great deal of time with people who are. Their comparison of Africa best compares with the Jim Crow south. Once the restraints were taken off a significant segment of the population, the south began to boom economically. The constraints on Africa are largely derived from their own post-colonial mindset and the ruling elites. If African countries ever develop an American style constitutional system with ultimate respect for the rule of law with division of powers among three branches of government and guaranteed property rights (a HUGE problem for potential investors), then they will prosper. But their sexual mores are largely double standards, as are ours in the west. Many African countries are conservative socially: westerners who wear shorts in their tropical climates are seen as amoral or culturally clueless while it is common for African men to be unfaithful to their marriage vows and to have children outside of wedlock, not unlike the US. Yet, their professionals can be top notch folks who study in the UK, Switzerland, Germany and the Scandinavian countries and whose professional expertise is limited by their local resources. What Africa lacks, in short, is a viable Bill of Rights that we have for its citizens and the requisite educational system to wean them away from a post-colonial dependence on their governments.

If one was to attempt to find an analog with Sodom, it would rather be with modern American cities and the US porn industry which trades off human slavery, misery and addiction. And yes, indeed, China is also one of those predatory societies which seeks via financial controls, to re-establish colonial rule wherever they are found. Such societies/countries are inevitably judged by the failure to follow the moral laws established by God to protect human life, freedom and property as found in the Ten Commandments and the law given through Moses.
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Orko said:

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Their greatest problem is systemic corruption from the highest levels to the lowest rungs of society.
Their greatest problem is really low average IQs due mostly to genetics and somewhat to malnutrition, but I would agree that systematic corruption is a big problem. However, corruption can also be a symptom of low IQ. If we could create some gene therapy to increase sub-Saharan African IQ and offer it only to Christians (because of the value system), then we would do wonders for that continent. Until then, we are mostly just treating the symptoms unless you wanted to do something like invade and colonize which would cause way, way too many unnecessary deaths on both sides and would be immoral as hell.

Its a tough situation, but there is a reason that large-scale, long-term civilization has never organically arisen there.
Indeed there are internal factors, mostly related to tribalism and the hierarchical authoritarian control they vest in their sub chiefs, chiefs and regional/national leaders.
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