Martin Q. Blank said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

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TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

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You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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People sin. Does that make them evil?

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Well according to Christian dogma, yes....yes it does

Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

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TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

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You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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People sin. Does that make them evil?

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Well according to Christian dogma, yes....yes it does

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I'd rather hear from RetiredAg because I don't think he believes that.

Sullys Guy said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

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TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

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You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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If we want to start marching people to the gulag for that Im all for it. I don't think President Pence will be any better for the left tho

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Pence if he got his way would be worse. But I don't think he would get his way. He isn't capable of lying with the speed and veracity that Trump is and isn't nearly as charismatic as trump is.

Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

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TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

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You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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People sin. Does that make them evil?

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Well according to Christian dogma, yes....yes it does

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Every single human is evil...good to know. You should open a church/

NonReg85 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

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TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

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You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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People sin. Does that make them evil?

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Well according to Christian dogma, yes....yes it does

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Every single human is evil...good to know. You should open a church/

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Why would I need to start a church, when this is the very idea is the very reason chrsitans beleive we need a savior.

Sullys Guy said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Sullys Guy said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

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TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

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You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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If we want to start marching people to the gulag for that Im all for it. I don't think President Pence will be any better for the left tho

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Pence if he got his way would be worse. But I don't think he would get his way. He isn't capable of lying with the speed and veracity that Trump is and isn't nearly as charismatic as trump is.

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I think ole Pence will surprise you. I believe he's every bit as ruthless as Trump and doesn't have the baggage

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You are probably right. But he isn't nearly as charismatic as trump.

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PacifistAg said:

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Heck, Jeffress even said if there were a candidate for POTUS who embodied the Sermon on the Mount, he'd run as fast as he could from that candidate. A supposed minister stating he wants someone, especially someone who claims to be a Christian, to look nothing like Jesus Christ. He should have been removed from his position at First Baptist Dallas immediately for saying that.

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In this post, PacifistAg finding common ground with an ultra leftist

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We'll that is different than his previous wrapper. In that case, at least, I certainly prefer the Snickers wrapper.

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Sometimes you know a person best by his enemies:

Each Month Thousands of Witches Cast Spell Against Trump

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Or his friends
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/01/the-kkks-official-newspaper-has-endorsed-donald-trump-for-president/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f011d08ead0b

UTExan said:

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Sometimes you know a person best by his enemies:

Each Month Thousands of Witches Cast Spell Against Trump

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Hmmmm, I prefer looking at their fruits, at least for those who claim to be followers of Christ.

Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Faithfulness
Gentleness
Self-control

Or, we can use a slightly different measure:
"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

Especially if we're talking about those claiming to be Christians, it's important that we use measures that are reflective of that.

PacifistAg said:

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UTExan said:

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Sometimes you know a person best by his enemies:

Each Month Thousands of Witches Cast Spell Against Trump

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Hmmmm, I prefer looking at their fruits, at least for those who claim to be followers of Christ.

Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Faithfulness
Gentleness
Self-control

Or, we can use a slightly different measure:
"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

Especially if we're talking about those claiming to be Christians, it's important that we use measures that are reflective of that.

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Any people come to mind to fill the roll as president?

Supplemental info in the article from the occultists:

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Hughes is the only originator of the spell he says it was co-created by a small community of like-minded occultists to speak publicly about its genesis. It later went viral after being republished on Medium by Defiant's Matthew Gault.

The spell itself requires certain symbolic elements: a black candle, a white candle, a shorter orange candle to represent Trump. Participants can replace this with baby carrots, photos, or even Cheetos.

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Obsessed with the color orange, they are.

Duncan Idaho said:

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NonReg85 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

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TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

---

You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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People sin. Does that make them evil?

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Well according to Christian dogma, yes....yes it does

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Every single human is evil...good to know. You should open a church/

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Why would I need to start a church, when this is the very idea is the very reason christians beleive we need a savior.

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Without getting into a pointless discussion on the meaning of "evil;" I'll just say that Christians believe we are created in the image of God so we are not inherently evil. We are, however, capable of sin--evil acts--and thus we require a savior. If you are using evil to mean sinful then I guess we agree; but evil is more commonly meant as the dualistic opposite of good.

NonReg85 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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NonReg85 said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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PacifistAg said:

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NonReg85 said:

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PacifistAg said:

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Dr. Watson said:

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Bryanisbest said:

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Cyrus was not a believer but he certainly did a lot for those who were. Trump is another Cyrus even if not a believer.

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It's funny that after two years in office Trump is lauded as some great figure for the religious. I have a feeling selling out to him is going to have massive consequences down the line. This isn't ancient Persia with a monarch and subjects without political voices.

---

TBH, I honestly feel that's the best thing this Trump phenomenon has resulted in. It's completely discredited the more partisan-driven ministers, such as Jeffress, Copeland, Graham and Dobson. It's had a "wheat from the chaff" effect. I wish we could have such a winnowing to those partisan ministers on the other side as well.

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You're probably correct but I don't think it will have much effect at the polls. The choice was Hillary. Next time the democrats may run someone better but right now it looks like they will go more extreme.

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It may not have an effect at the polls. I'm not a big "lesser of two evils" person though. I get the logic behind it, but to me, it's still choosing evil. I say let them go extreme. That will only serve to highlight the way of Christ even more, as the distinctions between the world and Christ will become less muddied than if we continue to sanction "lesser evil".

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You think Trump is evil? Why?

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Again. Poe's law up in hur.

Nope banging a porn star while your 3rd wife is at home with your infant is clearly the stuff of saints.

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People sin. Does that make them evil?

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Well according to Christian dogma, yes....yes it does

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Every single human is evil...good to know. You should open a church/

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Why would I need to start a church, when this is the very idea is the very reason christians beleive we need a savior.

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Without getting into a pointless discussion on the meaning of "evil;" I'll just say that Christians believe we are created in the image of God so we are not inherently evil. We are, however, capable of sin--evil acts--and thus we require a savior. If you are using evil to mean sinful then I guess we agree; but evil is more commonly meant as the dualistic opposite of good.

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I actually really like the Eastern POV that doesn't necessitate original sin; but rather that we are born into a world with sin, and suffer the effects of the environment rather than being tainted ourselves through a passed down original sin.