JTatter88 said:
PacifistAg said:
JTatter88 said:
A society can only handle freedom so long as it is virtuous, our forefathers knew this.
We have mistaken many of the fruits of virtuous society; free market, civil liberties, free exercise of religion, as the cause itself
America has never been a virtuous society. I also have a hard time understanding how our 'forefathers' were virtuous, if that's what you're implying.
I disagree, our country has flaws as it's a nation of humans, but still virtuous.
Well, I would disagree. When was our nation virtuous? When we were committing genocide? Enslaving people? Oppressing minorities and women? Rounding up citizens to put them in internment camps? Or was it after we legalized abortion?
No, we aren't a virtuous nation. Yes, we are a flawed state, as all inherently violent states are, made up of flawed humans.