Is there anything in the Scriptures that say it's not to be expected today? I honestly don't know, or at least cannot think of any off the top of my head. Paul talks about speaking in tongues to the church at Corinth, and he doesn't seem to imply that it is a "temporary" gift. He lays down some guidance on it (2 or 3, at most and needs to be able to be interpreted), but that seems about it.Quote:
It was an extraordinary gift to validate the Apostles' teachings and not to be expected today
Agreed.Quote:
Whatever is being called "speaking in tongues" today is not at all similar to what is described as "speaking in tongues" in Acts 2.
RetiredAg said:Is there anything in the Scriptures that say it's not to be expected today? I honestly don't know, or at least cannot think of any off the top of my head. Paul talks about speaking in tongues to the church at Corinth, and he doesn't seem to imply that it is a "temporary" gift. He lays down some guidance on it (2 or 3, at most and needs to be able to be interpreted), but that seems about it.Quote:
It was an extraordinary gift to validate the Apostles' teachings and not to be expected today
1 Cor. 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?RetiredAg said:Is there anything in the Scriptures that say it's not to be expected today? I honestly don't know, or at least cannot think of any off the top of my head. Paul talks about speaking in tongues to the church at Corinth, and he doesn't seem to imply that it is a "temporary" gift. He lays down some guidance on it (2 or 3, at most and needs to be able to be interpreted), but that seems about it.Quote:
It was an extraordinary gift to validate the Apostles' teachings and not to be expected today
Solo Tetherball Champ said:RetiredAg said:Is there anything in the Scriptures that say it's not to be expected today? I honestly don't know, or at least cannot think of any off the top of my head. Paul talks about speaking in tongues to the church at Corinth, and he doesn't seem to imply that it is a "temporary" gift. He lays down some guidance on it (2 or 3, at most and needs to be able to be interpreted), but that seems about it.Quote:
It was an extraordinary gift to validate the Apostles' teachings and not to be expected today
The argument that it was a one time thing is much weaker than the argument that it should still be practiced.
Win at Life posted Acts 2, but Paul (who was not present during acts 2) writes about speaking in tongues years after the fact to the church in Corinth. His writings read as if he is instructing the corinthians in the proper practice of something, rather than teaching them a history lesson.
wargograw said:Solo Tetherball Champ said:RetiredAg said:Is there anything in the Scriptures that say it's not to be expected today? I honestly don't know, or at least cannot think of any off the top of my head. Paul talks about speaking in tongues to the church at Corinth, and he doesn't seem to imply that it is a "temporary" gift. He lays down some guidance on it (2 or 3, at most and needs to be able to be interpreted), but that seems about it.Quote:
It was an extraordinary gift to validate the Apostles' teachings and not to be expected today
The argument that it was a one time thing is much weaker than the argument that it should still be practiced.
Win at Life posted Acts 2, but Paul (who was not present during acts 2) writes about speaking in tongues years after the fact to the church in Corinth. His writings read as if he is instructing the corinthians in the proper practice of something, rather than teaching them a history lesson.
No one argues it was a one time thing that I'm aware of. It was around during the apostolic age (and not just done by the apostles) but has now ceased as a result of the cannon's closure.
If you view "tongue" (singular) as incoherent babble and "tongues" (plural) as other languages, 1 Corinthians 14 opens up in a huge way.
schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way for their small social circle.
I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
I mean this sincerely- what language were you speaking in?Texaggie7nine said:I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
We called it the language of the soul. Only Jesus and our soul truly knew what was being said.Athanasius said:I mean this sincerely- what language were you speaking in?Texaggie7nine said:I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
Wrong thread, doc!!!dermdoc said:
So was it the traditional concept of Hell that prompted your disbelief?
Was that belief from scripture in some way? Where do we see soul language, other than the movie Airplane?Texaggie7nine said:We called it the language of the soul. Only Jesus and our soul truly knew what was being said.Athanasius said:I mean this sincerely- what language were you speaking in?Texaggie7nine said:I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
This is common in most "full gospel" churches.
Just curious. The more I read the less emphasis I see in the Bible on Hell. And I think some pastors are going to find out they have been misleading their flock.Athanasius said:Wrong thread, doc!!!dermdoc said:
So was it the traditional concept of Hell that prompted your disbelief?
Started it ya. This thread was my first foray into really questioning.dermdoc said:
So was it the traditional concept of Hell that prompted your disbelief?
1 Corinthians 14:2 King James Version (KJV)Athanasius said:Was that belief from scripture in some way? Where do we see soul language, other than the movie Airplane?Texaggie7nine said:We called it the language of the soul. Only Jesus and our soul truly knew what was being said.Athanasius said:I mean this sincerely- what language were you speaking in?Texaggie7nine said:I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
This is common in most "full gospel" churches.
I would assume Angels and more have a near infinite way of communicating, so I'm not totally against the concept, but is this scripturally supported for 'full gospel' churches?
I bet Jesus speaks English too.Texaggie7nine said:We called it the language of the soul. Only Jesus and our soul truly knew what was being said.Athanasius said:I mean this sincerely- what language were you speaking in?Texaggie7nine said:I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
This is common in most "full gospel" churches.
GREAT reply. Thanks!Texaggie7nine said:1 Corinthians 14:2 King James Version (KJV)Athanasius said:Was that belief from scripture in some way? Where do we see soul language, other than the movie Airplane?Texaggie7nine said:We called it the language of the soul. Only Jesus and our soul truly knew what was being said.Athanasius said:I mean this sincerely- what language were you speaking in?Texaggie7nine said:I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
This is common in most "full gospel" churches.
I would assume Angels and more have a near infinite way of communicating, so I'm not totally against the concept, but is this scripturally supported for 'full gospel' churches?
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Mark 16:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
1 Corinthians 13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
so... gibberish?Texaggie7nine said:We called it the language of the soul. Only Jesus and our soul truly knew what was being said.Athanasius said:I mean this sincerely- what language were you speaking in?Texaggie7nine said:I witnessed it and participated it in often. I will agree that many did it for an outward appearance, but that was never the case for me. I even did it alone when in deep prayer.schmendeler said:
i think it's people trying to show off in a socially acceptable way.
This is common in most "full gospel" churches.
tehmackdaddy said:
I am in no position to tell other Christians their experience with gifts such as speaking in tongues is valid or real (or not), nor am I in a position to know how God works through His people, but I will say observing this gift gives me the heebie-jeebies.
