P and S- Godel, time, and Feser's take

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A good read. I highly recommend reading Feser in general.

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In 1949, in a festschrift devoted to Einstein, Kurt Godel published a very short but profound paper titled "A Remark About the Relationship Between Relativity Theory and Idealistic Philosophy." It has since become well-known as a defense of the possibility in principle of time travel in a relativistic universe. But in fact that is not exactly what Godel was trying to show. He was trying to show instead that time is illusory. He was using Einstein to revive the timeless conception of reality defended historically by thinkers like Parmenides and McTaggart.

Godel had discovered solutions for the field equations of the general theory of relativity (GTR) that allow for the possibility of closed causal chains in a rotating universe, where the "backward" part of such a chain can be interpreted as an object's revisiting its earlier self. As Einstein acknowledged in his response to Godel in the festschrift, in such a causal chain in which an apparently earlier event E leads to an apparently later event L, but where L in turn leads back to E you may with equal justice regard L as the earlier event and E the later. The relations "earlier than" and "later than" cease to be objective features of the situation. Now, as even the B-theory of time acknowledges, the objective reality of the relations "earlier than" and "later than" is essential to the reality of time. Hence Godel concluded that in a universe of the sort he describes, time is illusory.

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But I would conjecture that the deeper explanation lies in Godel's Platonism. For the Platonist, the highest degree of reality is to be found in the realm of abstract objects conceived of as denizens of an eternal "third realm" over and above the spatiotemporal world of concrete particulars on the one hand and the mind on the other. And mathematical objects are the gold standard instances of such abstract objects. The empirical world of time and space has, on this view, only a second-rate kind of reality, and the temptation is strong to dismiss it as altogether illusory.
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So can you add a no-closed time like curves anstaz and save the reality of time per the argument?

If the topology of time is S1 instead of R1, though the concepts of earlier and later lose meaning, why does that make time less real? Four dimensions are built into relativity theory. What do they propose calling the fourth dimension instead?
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Why is it different than sayng East and West lose meaning without a flat earth?
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