Pro-Trump Pastor: 'Thou Shalt Not Have Sex With A Porn Star' Doesn't Apply Here

It was bad enough when he said he wanted a POTUS that looked nothing like the Sermon on the Mount (essentially saying he wants a professed Christian to look nothing like Jesus). But now this:

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"Evangelicals still believe in the commandment: Thou shalt not have sex with a porn star," Robert Jeffress told Fox News on Thursday. "However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him."

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Now, the purpose of the thread isn't about Trump or politics. The purpose is whether or not any Christian, much less a very visible person who claims to be a minister of God, should be making such statements. At what point would, if you were a member of his congregation, would you either leave or demand his removal? Are statements like these justification for removal from that pulpit? Do statements like these damage the witness of the church? Shouldn't it absolutely be relevant to any follower of Christ that one is throwing their support behind someone who is openly immoral?

He seems to be using the logic of those who turn a blind eye to a politician's embrace of abortion just so long as they share their political ideology.

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Trump is a means to an end for most right-leaning Christians I know. They don't like what he does with his personal life, but they still prefer him to Obama or Hillary from a policy perspective.

I don't think most people who voted for Trump are like the Trumpettes littering forum 16. I think most held their nose to vote for him because they saw Hillary as a worse alternative.

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While I disagree w/ the "lesser evil" argument of those who supported him, my issue is that a "pastor" is taking a step further and saying that such immorality is totally irrelevant to them. I think, like you said, most cringe at the personal stuff but Jeffress seems to say nothing against it. It's as though he ignores the example of, say, John the Baptist who spoke against Herod's immorality or Nathan speaking against David's.

I guess to put it differently, he seems to have forfeited his charge to be a prophetic witness against evil in favor of political gain. And you see it on both sides. This isn't really about Trump, but more about what Jeffress is really doing here.

Again, Trump is a means to an end. Easy to rationalize away his sins when you approach his presidency this way.

No candidate is sinless so if you're going to remove a pastor for supporting a sitting president then you better be pretty consistent across the board.

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No candidate is sinless so if you're going to remove a pastor for supporting a sitting president then you better be pretty consistent across the board.

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It's not that he's supporting a sitting president who has sin. It's the manner with which he is. It's an issue when one says they don't want a professed Christian to look anything like the Sermon on the Mount, or that sleeping with a porn star while married is "totally irrelevant" to their support. Not to mention, what damage do statements like these have on the witness of the church when a supposed minister of God goes and makes them on national tv?

I agree he's not helping anything by his blind support and worship of Trump.

I wouldn't go to his church. However there are pastors spreading much worse messages IMO.

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For someone who doesn't even vote you do complain a lot about politics.

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I'm not complaining about politics. I'm complaining about someone who claims to be a minister of God damaging the witness of the church. He's simply doing it within the political realm.

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RetiredAg said:

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Solo Tetherball Champ said:

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For someone who doesn't even vote you do complain a lot about politics.

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I'm not complaining about politics. I'm complaining about someone who claims to be a minister of God damaging the witness of the church. He's simply doing it within the political realm.

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With regard to Trump here is a butchered analogy for you:

Love the Sinner; Hate the Sin is to Like *many* of his policies, loathe the man.

And I've long since realized that "damaging the witness of the church" is irrelevant. The same people who are turned off by evangelicals turning up their nose to vote for Trump would hardly come running to the church if they had voted in mass for Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Paul, or any other.

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With regard to Trump? This isn't about Trump. It's about Jeffress. You seem to be the one making this about politics.

As for the bolded part, I vehemently disagree. Damaging the witness of the church is extremely relevant. The "same people" you are referring to may not likely come running to the church had Jeffress pimped for some other candidate, but what he's doing is only reinforcing their perceptions of the church which will only serve to keep them entrenched in their views of the church. Damaging the witness of the church is a major problem. It's like those who peddle the prosperity gospel nonsense while flying around in their private jets. It acts as a stumbling block to non-believers.

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I think you are mis reading what Jeffress said. Basically he is saying that Christians do not condone sin but understand that all men sin. Every President has been a sinner so basically by your standards no Christian pastor should support any of them.
That is not my interpretation of the Bible as I feel like we have a Christian obligation to vote and be active in civic activities as well as church and charitable ones. But that is just my opinion which is worth basically less than two cents.

PS My prayers for you and Will's family continue.

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Oh, I don't think I'm misreading him, especially given past comments he's made. Perhaps I am, but I think his record leans towards the way I'm reading him. The most egregious being that he wants someone who professes Christ to look nothing like the Sermon on the Mount. I'd also disagree with the belief that Christians have an obligation to vote, but that's an issue for another thread.

And thanks for the continued prayers. I'll be heading up next weekend for his memorial service.

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but you've made it very clear that you have a strong dislike for white evangelicals.

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False. Absolutely 100% false.

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Opie never had a problem with the pulpit pimps that praised their lord and savior, Barrack Hussien Obama.

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Absolutely I did. You all do not need to lie about me to try and make a point. If you think I'm driven by political ideology or party, I don't know what to tell you. If you think I was a fan, in any way, of Obama, then you don't know me.

RetiredAg said:

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Solo Tetherball Champ said:

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RetiredAg said:

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Solo Tetherball Champ said:

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For someone who doesn't even vote you do complain a lot about politics.

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I'm not complaining about politics. I'm complaining about someone who claims to be a minister of God damaging the witness of the church. He's simply doing it within the political realm.

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With regard to Trump here is a butchered analogy for you:

Love the Sinner; Hate the Sin is to Like *many* of his policies, loathe the man.

And I've long since realized that "damaging the witness of the church" is irrelevant. The same people who are turned off by evangelicals turning up their nose to vote for Trump would hardly come running to the church if they had voted in mass for Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Paul, or any other.

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With regard to Trump? This isn't about Trump. It's about Jeffress. You seem to be the one making this about politics.

As for the bolded part, I vehemently disagree. Damaging the witness of the church is extremely relevant. The "same people" you are referring to may not likely come running to the church had Jeffress pimped for some other candidate, but what he's doing is only reinforcing their perceptions of the church which will only serve to keep them entrenched in their views of the church. Damaging the witness of the church is a major problem. It's like those who peddle the prosperity gospel nonsense while flying around in their private jets. It acts as a stumbling block to non-believers.

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Allow me to repeat myself while making my purpose more clear:

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The same people who are turned off from Christianity by evangelicals turning up their nose to vote voting for Trump for any reason would hardly come running to the church if they had voted in mass for Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Paul, or any other.

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Again, this isn't about Trump. So there's no need for the "but...but...what about...?" game. This is about someone who claims to be a minister of God saying things that I don't believe any minister of God should be saying. Would it not concern you if your pastor said this? Or if your pastor said they want a professed Christian to look nothing like the Sermon on the Mount? Would these comments not bother you if it were your pastor? Forget Trump's name is even on the thread, and focus solely on the comments of Jeffress. If you are fine w/ it, okay, but surely one can understand why many Christians would have an issue w/ his statements.

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Again, this isn't about Trump. So there's no need for the "but...but...what about...?" game. This is about someone who claims to be a minister of God saying things that I don't believe any minister of God should be saying. Would it not concern you if your pastor said this? Or if your pastor said they want a professed Christian to look nothing like the Sermon on the Mount? Would these comments not bother you if it were your pastor?

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You say it is not about Trump but everything in your posts relate back to Trump.

Maybe this will tell you something about my pastors perspective:

I have hard my pastor would say that if he hired anyone (exception being for the ministry) he would not look to see if they had a fish on the window of their car or wore a James Avery cross ring but instead would check the quality of their work.

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You say it is not about Trump but everything in your posts relate back to Trump.

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Solely because that was what prompted Jeffress' comment. Jeffress is the subject, not Trump.

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Maybe this will tell you something about my pastors perspective:

I have hard my pastor would say that if he hired anyone (exception being for the ministry) he would not look to see if they had a fish on the window of their car or wore a James Avery cross ring but instead would check the quality of their work.

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If he hired someone who publicly professed Christ, yet came out had an affair w/ a porn star, would your pastor say it was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supported the guy? Or would he say that he wants a guy, who claims Christ, to look nothing like Christ while performing that job?

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You say it is not about Trump but everything in your posts relate back to Trump.

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Solely because that was what prompted Jeffress' comment. Jeffress is the subject, not Trump.

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Maybe this will tell you something about my pastors perspective:

I have hard my pastor would say that if he hired anyone (exception being for the ministry) he would not look to see if they had a fish on the window of their car or wore a James Avery cross ring but instead would check the quality of their work.

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If he hired someone who publicly professed Christ, yet came out had an affair w/ a porn star, would your pastor say it was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supported the guy? Or would he say that he wants a guy, who claims Christ, to look nothing like Christ while performing that job?

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Would your pastor say your past behavior on TexAgs was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supports you? It probably depends on whether he believes in grace or not. Which sins did Christ die for: those of today, or all time (past inclusive)? Should we judge you by your past, or is there a present porn star affair I'm not aware of?

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You say it is not about Trump but everything in your posts relate back to Trump.

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Solely because that was what prompted Jeffress' comment. Jeffress is the subject, not Trump.

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Maybe this will tell you something about my pastors perspective:

I have hard my pastor would say that if he hired anyone (exception being for the ministry) he would not look to see if they had a fish on the window of their car or wore a James Avery cross ring but instead would check the quality of their work.

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If he hired someone who publicly professed Christ, yet came out had an affair w/ a porn star, would your pastor say it was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supported the guy? Or would he say that he wants a guy, who claims Christ, to look nothing like Christ while performing that job?

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If he hired the guy, the sole criteria for him hiring him (or retaining him) would be whether or not he is doing a good job.

He has (and I quote) had his fill of "worthless people who profess Christ but do not do the job that they are paid to do". This was not in reference to politicians, but several incidences of him hiring handymen who were paid to work on his house.

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RetiredAg said:

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You say it is not about Trump but everything in your posts relate back to Trump.

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Solely because that was what prompted Jeffress' comment. Jeffress is the subject, not Trump.

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Maybe this will tell you something about my pastors perspective:

I have hard my pastor would say that if he hired anyone (exception being for the ministry) he would not look to see if they had a fish on the window of their car or wore a James Avery cross ring but instead would check the quality of their work.

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If he hired someone who publicly professed Christ, yet came out had an affair w/ a porn star, would your pastor say it was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supported the guy? Or would he say that he wants a guy, who claims Christ, to look nothing like Christ while performing that job?

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Would your pastor say your past behavior on TexAgs was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supports you? It probably depends on whether he believes in grace or not. Which sins did Christ die for: those of today, or all time (past inclusive)? Should we judge you by your past, or is there a present porn star affair I'm not aware of?

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My preaching minister can easily see how the Spirit has transformed my life. He can see fruits of a Christian walk today. Now, my preaching minister may give pause if I had slept with a porn star, while married, and publicly denied it to this day and had an attorney pay her off. I doubt he'd say it was "totally irrelevant" if that's the case, and I'd hope he wouldn't consider it "totally irrelevant" if I continued w/ actions to cover it up. I am absolutely confident that my preaching minister would never say that he wants me to look nothing like the Sermon on the Mount in how I am at my job. Why? Because he's a minister and he would never encourage a fellow believer to behave any way that looks the exact opposite of Christ.

Jeffress, though, thinks it's "totally irrelevant" even if the accusations are true, which means that the professed Christian continues to cover up and lie about it. That seems to fly in the face of repentance, which admittedly is difficult if you've never asked for forgiveness to start with.

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If he hired the guy, the sole criteria for him hiring him (or retaining him) would be whether or not he is doing a good job.

He has (and I quote) had his fill of "worthless people who profess Christ but do not do the job that they are paid to do". This was not in reference to politicians, but several incidences of him hiring handymen who were paid to work on his house.

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So your pastor has had his fill of people who proclaim Christ w/ their lips, but not their actions? Seems like he'd disagree w/ Jeffress then.

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If he hired the guy, the sole criteria for him hiring him (or retaining him) would be whether or not he is doing a good job.

He has (and I quote) had his fill of "worthless people who profess Christ but do not do the job that they are paid to do". This was not in reference to politicians, but several incidences of him hiring handymen who were paid to work on his house.

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So you're pastor has had his fill of people who proclaim Christ w/ their lips, but not their actions? Seems like he'd disagree w/ Jeffress then.

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You missed the point.

Whether or not that person is an upstanding citizen or a degenerate has no bearing on the decision to hire or retain their service. His sole criteria is did they complete the job they were paid to do and did they do it as desired. If an atheist financial advisor manages his investment account (oh yes, he invests) better than a Christian he will go with the atheist.

But we're not talking about an atheist. We're talking about a professed Christian. We're talking about a pastor thinking sinful behavior by a professed Christian is "totally irrelevant". I remember being a teenager in the 90's and hearing over and over again "character counts". Now many of those same people are saying it doesn't. But, again, my issue is w/ a supposed minister saying things like this are "totally irrelevant" or that they want a professed Christian to look nothing like the Sermon on the Mount.

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did they complete the job they were paid to do and did they do it as desired

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If the one doing the job is a follower of Christ, we're to do all things for the glory of God. That's paramount. That includes how we do our jobs.



Clearly we disagree, and it appears we're just talking past each other.

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You say it is not about Trump but everything in your posts relate back to Trump.

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Solely because that was what prompted Jeffress' comment. Jeffress is the subject, not Trump.

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Maybe this will tell you something about my pastors perspective:

I have hard my pastor would say that if he hired anyone (exception being for the ministry) he would not look to see if they had a fish on the window of their car or wore a James Avery cross ring but instead would check the quality of their work.

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If he hired someone who publicly professed Christ, yet came out had an affair w/ a porn star, would your pastor say it was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supported the guy? Or would he say that he wants a guy, who claims Christ, to look nothing like Christ while performing that job?

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Would your pastor say your past behavior on TexAgs was "totally irrelevant" as to whether or not he supports you? It probably depends on whether he believes in grace or not. Which sins did Christ die for: those of today, or all time (past inclusive)? Should we judge you by your past, or is there a present porn star affair I'm not aware of?

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My preaching minister can easily see how the Spirit has transformed my life. He can see fruits of a Christian walk today. Now, my preaching minister may give pause if I had slept with a porn star, while married, and publicly denied it to this day and had an attorney pay her off. I doubt he'd say it was "totally irrelevant" if that's the case, and I'd hope he wouldn't consider it "totally irrelevant" if I continued w/ actions to cover it up. I am absolutely confident that my preaching minister would never say that he wants me to look nothing like the Sermon on the Mount in how I am at my job. Why? Because he's a minister and he would never encourage a fellow believer to behave any way that looks the exact opposite of Christ.

Jeffress, though, thinks it's "totally irrelevant" even if the accusations are true, which means that the professed Christian continues to cover up and lie about it. That seems to fly in the face of repentance, which admittedly is difficult if you've never asked for forgiveness to start with.

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Porn star has nothing to gain at all, pure salt of the earth woman with noble intentions. No one ever settled out of court because they didn't want to litigate. No hearsay can ever be incorrect. What if the accusations are false? You heavily weigh on them being true (and they may be). Did you believe the Steele Dossier too?

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Porn star has nothing to gain at all, pure salt of the earth woman with noble intentions. No one ever settled out of court because they didn't want to litigate. No heresay can ever be incorrect. What if the accusations are false? You heavily weigh on them being true (and they may be). Did you believe the Steele Dossier too?

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Jeffress doesn't care whether it's true or not. I have no idea if it is. I'm not commenting on the validity of the accusation, as they very well may be false. Jeffress, though, doesn't seem to care one way or the other. This isn't about Trump. This is about Jeffress. Jeffress is the one who said whether he did it or not, it's still "totally irrelevant".

Okay, I'm off guys. Going to the movies tonight so got to head home and get ready. I also don't think anything else can be added to the discussion that hasn't already been said. Peace to you all and have a great weekend.

Jeffers is a *****.... most likely a ***** of Babylon

He without sin cast the first stone.

Whoever keeps the whole Law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.





Looks like evangelicals should stay home, since they cannot support any candidate, per Retireds perversion of the scripture.