How do you determine what to obey? Ten commandments? "Moral" commandments? Those mentioned in "New Testament"?
What is preached on Sunday: ten commandments, moral commandments, and those mentioned in the new testament which all seem to be the same thing to me.agie95 said:
How do you determine what to obey? Ten commandments? "Moral" commandments? Those mentioned in "New Testament"?
Loving God and worshiping him regularly are both moral commandments, yes.agie95 said:
so loving God is a moral commandment?
The Sabbath is a moral commandment?
I am failing to see how they are all the same.
I used testament vs covenant, b/c that is what Christians call the books of the gospels and epistles.
This is not meant as a gotcha, but how can you be sure you are worshipping him on the actual sabbath?agie95 said:
ok. God said to worship Him on the Sabbath, not Sunday. So is one immoral for not observing the Sabbath?
A second question, aren't all of God's commandments moral?
There are several reasons why we know the Sabbath of the Jews today was the Sabbath in ancient times:Quote:
This is not meant as a gotcha, but how can you be sure you are worshipping him on the actual sabbath?
You're assuming that despite all of the rebellions, mass relocations, attempted genocides, and generally fallibility that the Jews are still worshiping him on the correct day, thousands of years after the command was given.
Agree. Oy vey.jkag89 said:
Not all of God's commandments are moral. Some legal, some to specific people for a specific time, etc.agie95 said:
ok. God said to worship Him on the Sabbath, not Sunday. So is one immoral for not observing the Sabbath?
A second question, aren't all of God's commandments moral?
Martin Q. Blank said:Not all of God's commandments are moral. Some legal, some to specific people for a specific time, etc.agie95 said:
ok. God said to worship Him on the Sabbath, not Sunday. So is one immoral for not observing the Sabbath?
A second question, aren't all of God's commandments moral?
Sunday is the Christian Sabbath known as the Lord's day.
You've tried over and over this line of reasoning, what do you hope to achieve trying it again?agie95 said:
You don't have to read or respond. If you are tired of it...don't click on my posts. It is that easy. Thanks for the bump though.
You are correct and I apologize.agie95 said:
You don't have to read or respond. If you are tired of it...don't click on my posts. It is that easy. Thanks for the bump though.
Not keeping holy the sabbath/ Lord's day would be the moral command. Still required, very important for us to rest, spend time with family and worship God. The stoning the man to death would be the civil punishment that was carried out roughly 3000 years ago (not required).Win At Life said:Martin Q. Blank said:Not all of God's commandments are moral. Some legal, some to specific people for a specific time, etc.agie95 said:
ok. God said to worship Him on the Sabbath, not Sunday. So is one immoral for not observing the Sabbath?
A second question, aren't all of God's commandments moral?
Sunday is the Christian Sabbath known as the Lord's day.
Would you consider gathering firewood on Sunday to be violating a "moral" commandment?
Isn't this a better question for you? Aren't you the resident Jewish/Christian hybrid?agie95 said:
How do you determine what to obey? Ten commandments? "Moral" commandments? Those mentioned in "New Testament"?
I agree with you. My point, if it was really important to Chrisitans more people/ businesses would implement days of rest and worship- see Chick-Fil-a. We would still see a form of the blue laws.powerbelly said:
Christians are free to rest on Sunday. The government should not tell businesses when they can be open.
The definition of moral is of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior.Martin Q. Blank said:Not all of God's commandments are moral. Some legal, some to specific people for a specific time, etc.agie95 said:
ok. God said to worship Him on the Sabbath, not Sunday. So is one immoral for not observing the Sabbath?
A second question, aren't all of God's commandments moral?
Sunday is the Christian Sabbath known as the Lord's day.
AS I pointed out in that other thread, you can obey Jesus's great commandments, by obeying the 10 Commandments. He just condenses (and broadens) them into two basic ideas.agie95 said:
How do you determine what to obey? Ten commandments? "Moral" commandments? Those mentioned in "New Testament"?
Where do those other 603 come from? Are they listed in the New Testament? Or is that from the Torah?agie95 said:
What about the other ones? The other 603?
Is it moral to kill your son? That was a commandment given to Abraham.agie95 said:The definition of moral is of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior.Martin Q. Blank said:Not all of God's commandments are moral. Some legal, some to specific people for a specific time, etc.agie95 said:
ok. God said to worship Him on the Sabbath, not Sunday. So is one immoral for not observing the Sabbath?
A second question, aren't all of God's commandments moral?
Sunday is the Christian Sabbath known as the Lord's day.
God gave us His commandments to give us principles to abide by in our daily lives. When we don't live by these principles, our behavior, according to God, is in the wrong. When we do them, we are in the right.
Therefore, all of the commandments are moral. Man came up with the divisions.
Regarding the "Christian Sabbath", can you point to any disciple or Paul telling you to change the the Sabbath? The Sabbath was and is a pretty big deal in Judaism, therefore, one would think someone somewhere would have stated the change.
My understanding from Jesus is that it's the 2, which encompass the 10 as i showed. As I'm a Christian and don't really follow the Torah, I don't know about any of those others.agie95 said:
Are you inferring that only commandments listed in the New Testament should be followed...
So it is not just the 2 or the 10, but all mentioned in the New Testament? Does this include the proper Sabbath?
You're twisting around what is said. The commandments are what to DO not what NOT to do.agie95 said:
So since homosexuality is mentioned in new testament you adhere to that, right?
What about having sex with your sister or an animal? Those are in the Torah, but not mentioned in the New Testament. So according to your standard, those are acceptable behaviors?
No mention of the Sabbath....how do you handle that, b/c from every time the Sabbath is mentioned it is referring to the proper Sabbath of sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.