S - Nutrients

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Before humans discovered vitamins, minerals, and nutrients; how did humans get proper nutrition?

Did they just eat a variety of foods and hope for the best?

Yes I am all too familiar with the food pyramid.
schmendeler
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malnutrition was very common. that's why people are so much larger now.
dds08
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The word says the Lord takes care of the animals. The birds don't worry about clothes to wear or food to eat. They just live.

How much indeed the Lord cares for humans.

It's nothing short of a miracle, food. We know so much more now than we did in the B.C. times, yet someway, somehow; if you're reading this you had a predecessor way back then who "got along."
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I would contend that the reason you're here today is that you descend from those who ate the foods with the proper nutrients. Those that didn't have the correct vitamins and minerals in their diet simply didn't reproduce as much or as effectively, and the pressure put on them from the surrounding ecosystem led to their demise.
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dds08 said:

The word says the Lord takes care of the animals. The birds don't worry about clothes to wear or food to eat. They just live.

How much indeed the Lord cares for humans.

It's nothing short of a miracle, food. We know so much more now than we did in the B.C. times, yet someway, somehow; if you're reading this you had a predecessor way back then who "got along."
Why did you label this thread with a "S"?
I identify as Ultra-MAGA
dds08
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S for Science.

When did humans learn about vitamins, nutrients, and minerals? How did humans, "get by" before they knew about all the vitamins and nutrients they needed?

I'm sure it fits in biology somewhere.

I know the Lord provides.

How would an atheist say it got done?
mesocosm
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dds08 said:

S for Science.

When did humans learn about vitamins, nutrients, and minerals? How did humans, "get by" before they knew about all the vitamins and nutrients they needed?

I'm sure it fits in biology somewhere.

I know the Lord provides.

How would an atheist say it got done?


What a strange question. Humans didn't have to learn anything. All they had to do was eat. Just like the ocelots, tardigrades, earthworms and every other organism on earth did. Or do you think these organisms were successful because they took nutrition classes?
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dds08 said:

S for Science.

When did humans learn about vitamins, nutrients, and minerals? How did humans, "get by" before they knew about all the vitamins and nutrients they needed?

I'm sure it fits in biology somewhere.

I know the Lord provides.

How would an atheist say it got done?
We evolved to survive on a variety of foods because we had a variety of foods to eat. Just look at the diet of chimps and remember we came from the same area (though more grasslands way back when). If your body evolves on a certain kind of diet, bad things happen when you deviate from that diet. Humans shrank, lived in more pain, suffered more disease, and died younger when they moved to agriculture because it limited the diet to almost all cereals all the time. We learned about the value of vitamins, nutrients, and minerals in the last 200-300 years because we finally had enough surplus of enough variety to see how certain kinds of foods impacted our ability to function.
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dds08 said:

S for Science.

When did humans learn about vitamins, nutrients, and minerals? How did humans, "get by" before they knew about all the vitamins and nutrients they needed?

I'm sure it fits in biology somewhere.

I know the Lord provides.

How would an atheist say it got done?


Is this a poor attempt at a "gotcha"?
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dds08 said:

S for Science.

When did humans learn about vitamins, nutrients, and minerals? How did humans, "get by" before they knew about all the vitamins and nutrients they needed?

I'm sure it fits in biology somewhere.

I know the Lord provides.

How would an atheist say it got done?
So are you saying that our food knowledge and biological know how is all a sham or not needed??

I am really confused as to what your point is or you driving motivation about asking this question. Which is pretty damn easy.

We developed our knowledge over time, especially the last century and not all "got by". In fact if you had the tiniest bit of history you would know that history is rife with examples of how humans did not always "get by".

Are you trying to do a religion vs atheist battle here with a sure fire "Gotcha!" or something?
dds08
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Eliminatus said:

dds08 said:

S for Science.

When did humans learn about vitamins, nutrients, and minerals? How did humans, "get by" before they knew about all the vitamins and nutrients they needed?

I'm sure it fits in biology somewhere.

I know the Lord provides.

How would an atheist say it got done?
So are you saying that our food knowledge and biological know how is all a sham or not needed??

I am really confused as to what your point is or you driving motivation about asking this question. Which is pretty damn easy.

We developed our knowledge over time, especially the last century and not all "got by". In fact if you had the tiniest bit of history you would know that history is rife with examples of how humans did not always "get by".

Are you trying to do a religion vs atheist battle here with a sure fire "Gotcha!" or something?
No, I am not trying to do a battle. I'm just curious that's all.

People believe different things that's all. Nothing wrong with that. It's a free country.

Today how does the average Joe know that they are getting all the vitamins and nutrients they need on a daily or monthly or yearly basis? I doubt everyone goes through some daily blood test to measure these amounts in their system.

Physicals are only done every so often and your body is amazing. It can go without certain nutrients for quite a long time before adversity strikes.

How does one know they are eating the correct variety or is not missing something?

How does one know they are getting an optimal amount of this nutrient or an optimal amount of that mineral/vitamin.

With the advent of pro-biotics, how does one know they are getting an optimal amount of the organisms in good probiotics.
Aggrad08
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You don't take the optimal amount. Just pop a multivitamin, and with the exception of fat soluble vitamins that could harm you, you are getting way past the amounts required. Any extra is just flushed out unused, no harm done.

If You start feeling crappy you are likely to end up at a doc and you will learn the deficiencies in your diet. It's nothing difficult,
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Quote:

We evolved to survive on a variety of foods because we had a variety of foods to eat. Just look at the diet of chimps and remember we came from the same area (though more grasslands way back when). If your body evolves on a certain kind of diet, bad things happen when you deviate from that diet. Humans shrank, lived in more pain, suffered more disease, and died younger when they moved to agriculture because it limited the diet to almost all cereals all the time. We learned about the value of vitamins, nutrients, and minerals in the last 200-300 years because we finally had enough surplus of enough variety to see how certain kinds of foods impacted our ability to function.
Pretty much sums it up. The Agricultural revolution was great for human society on a macro level (much better economy and war-making capability) but bad for individual humans on a micro level (introduction of societal hierarchy, vast inequality, grinding daily toil in fields, diseases, malnutrition, etc.)

Of course I wasn't around back then, but that's what I learned from Guns Germs & Steel and Sapiens.
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schmendeler said:

malnutrition was very common. that's why people are so much larger now.
.....And generations of larger people are creating a larger carbon footprint and destroying this Earth........

......yet the death pertinent in evolutionary competition ultimately furthers the progress of life.....




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Not an atheist, but I'll play.


Humans and other animals have built in systems that help maintain equilibrium. They aren't perfect by any means, but if you don't consume certain kinds of nutrients, you will crave more of them. Animals have the same systems.
Sapper Redux
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TampaBayAg said:

schmendeler said:

malnutrition was very common. that's why people are so much larger now.
.....And generations of larger people are creating a larger carbon footprint and destroying this Earth........

......yet the death pertinent in evolutionary competition ultimately furthers the progress of life.....




Evolution doesn't work in "progress." Current life is not "better" than past life just because it's current. A T. Rex is a much more impressive predator than anything currently living. Killing huge swaths of life won't help evolution, it will slow down the diversification of species and require millions of years just to fill the gaps created and return to a similar level of diversity.
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I know the Lord provides.
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eidetic78
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I remember you asking about bacterial communities that inhabit humans. They also play a huge role in what nutrients you're able to extract from what you eat.

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