This is to follow up a tangent that popped up on the other thread, which has now rightfully returned to it's Prot v Cath roots.
K2 and I were arguing a bit about whether John Chrysostom is a good role model. Here is a note from Socrates, the Church historian regarding him.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26016.htm
So again I'll say that he was twice deposed. He was the Bishop of the second most important city in Christendom at the time. To compare that Synod with the power to strip away the title of bishop to a straw poll of lay Christians is ridiculous. Either the Church was so corrupt that synods with real power were erring, or John deserved it. And if he didn't, then how are we to judge the actions of the Church regarding other defrocked bishops such as Nestor? Both continued to have massive followings both in and outside the Church after their exile.
Secondly, the passage specifically state that many people felt he deserved being deposed because of violence he had used deposing those other groups. As I have stated before, to me the term Quartodecimian is code for Torah observant Christians, and I identify with them. So when I say that John would have used violence against me if I lived under him, that is to what I am referring. There is evidence he used violence to take churches away from people that in my mind are just like me.
I only have a minute, but I'll go over his homily "Against Jews" in a bit. Anyone who wants to glance over it can find it here.
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/chrysostom_adversus_judaeos_01_homily1.htm
K2 and I were arguing a bit about whether John Chrysostom is a good role model. Here is a note from Socrates, the Church historian regarding him.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26016.htm
Quote:
I have alluded to this circumstance, because many have affirmed that what he suffered was a judgment upon him for his calumnious aspersions of John, whom he so often designated as arrogant and inexorable, as I have already said. Furthermore as on the 30th of September, in the last-mentioned consulate, there was an extraordinary fall of hail of immense size at Constantinople and its suburbs, it also was declared to be an expression of Divine indignation on account of Chrysostom's unjust deposition: and the death of the empress tended to give increased credibility to these reports, for it took place four days after the hail-storm. Others, however, asserted that John had been deservedly deposed, because of the violence he had exercised in Asia and Lydia, in depriving the Novatians and Quartodecimans of many of their churches, when he went to Ephesus and ordained Heraclides. But whether John's deposition was just, as his enemies declare, or Cyrinus suffered in chastisement for his slanderous revilings; whether the hail fell, or the empress died on John's account, or whether these things happened for other reasons, or for these in connection with others, God only knows, who is the discerner of secrets, and the just judge of truth itself. I have simply recorded the reports which were current at that time.
So again I'll say that he was twice deposed. He was the Bishop of the second most important city in Christendom at the time. To compare that Synod with the power to strip away the title of bishop to a straw poll of lay Christians is ridiculous. Either the Church was so corrupt that synods with real power were erring, or John deserved it. And if he didn't, then how are we to judge the actions of the Church regarding other defrocked bishops such as Nestor? Both continued to have massive followings both in and outside the Church after their exile.
Secondly, the passage specifically state that many people felt he deserved being deposed because of violence he had used deposing those other groups. As I have stated before, to me the term Quartodecimian is code for Torah observant Christians, and I identify with them. So when I say that John would have used violence against me if I lived under him, that is to what I am referring. There is evidence he used violence to take churches away from people that in my mind are just like me.
I only have a minute, but I'll go over his homily "Against Jews" in a bit. Anyone who wants to glance over it can find it here.
http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/chrysostom_adversus_judaeos_01_homily1.htm
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