What makes you say muslims are more devout?

I would stay muslims tend to have a more strict interpretation of their holy book. I think that has to do with in islam you go to heaven by doing more good deeds than bad so you're constantly trying to please God based off what's in the book.

In Christianity it's believe Jesus is son of God who died on the cross for our sins and rose on the 3rd day. You're works mean nothing if you don't believe that so I think some people do whatever they want knowing as long as I believe, I'll be saved. No doubt sin makes it harder to have a personal relationship with God. In Christianity though Gods love is unconditional as long as you believe.

Because the non devout ones are dead from stoning or beheading.

The Sermon on the Mount might be what you need to read.
Jesus came for a lot of reasons, one minor one was to tell people to quit worrying about all of the "old" Jewish rules.
There is a new Covenant and it is meaningless without love.
"You have heard that it was said to those of old" Here Jesus is in disagreement with the way people are interpreting the Old Testament

But I also agree, this is the wrong forum.

Jesus dedicated much of his life to correcting the many erroneous beliefs held by Jews. If their interpretation of the Old Testament was clear and correct, then there would have been no need for Jesus to exist at all. Even while he was here, the apostles (who knew him best) still had to have their misjudgements personally corrected by Jesus on occasion. It's hard to expect that the moment he ascended that those left behind suddenly became infallible in everything they said or wrote. Especially those who followed who never met Jesus themselves.

I think Jesus existed and said and did much of what is stated in the Bible, but i do not believe the Bible is infallible. It is just the best evidence we have on what Jesus actually did say and do.

No Jesus did not come to tell us that god had gotten it wrong and all the rules he made up were a mistake. He said the exact opposite.

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No Jesus did not come to tell us that god had gotten it wrong and all the rules he made up were a mistake. He said the exact opposite.

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Not God had gotten it wrong, but man had gotten things wrong in writing what they thought God meant.

If the Old Testament and their interpretation of it was perfect, then there would have been no reason for Jesus to come down and teach anything.

No where did I say that.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"

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It's been a while since I've looked into the Bible but there are plenty of rules within the Old and New Testament that Christians ignore simply because we want to.

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It's not "simply because we want to". The OT covenant was fulfilled in Christ and we're no longer bound by the OT law. As for the section from Paul's letter to Corinth, the question is whether that's a universal standard for all the church, or is there some cultural context at play here and that's really applying to the church in Corinth only. Given the prominent women we see in the early days of the church, women like Junia, Phoebe, Mary, etc, I lean towards it being a specific issue being dealt with in the church at Corinth.

Plus, I'd say that Mormons are the most devout of the religious groups, with Muslims not far behind.

My 2 cents you gotta look at the fruits:

1) See Muslim Martyrs (kill others and inflict as much pain as possible) vs Christian Martyrs who through the centuries, lead by our Savior's example- "Father forgive them, they know not what they do".

2) Christians have huge advantage vs. Muslims. We have perfect role model in Jesus (suffering Servant). In comparision we see Mohammad's life was filled both with peace & love (early part of life) and then later in life filled with war and violence (killing others). It is very possible (easy) if you follow Islam to letter of law (become devoted to Islam) it leads to violence.

3) A Christian that becomes active in faith, we see more peace and calm, in contrast for some Muslims (not all)- we see violence (Jihad) and war against others. Contrast example of Christians coming out of church in peace, after a bible study (peace and love) vs. Muslims at times coming out religious service field with rage- killing others.

To be clear, human nature does not change- we have good, ok, bad folks across the Globe. Not all Christians are good and not all Muslims are bad. But I am saying- an active faith Christian (goes to church every week, prays all the time)- is much more likely to be good than a Muslim who goes and prays all the time. It goes back to the differences in the teaching of Jesus (Peace, Love) vs. Mohammad (Peace, Love & Violence)

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These threads disgust me. It seems Texags has more Islamic scholars per capita than most Islamic countries.

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Especially on the Politics board. Tons of Muslim theologians over there. Who was the poster who had the Muslim AMA here? That was a fascinating thread. Honestly, probably the best thread I've seen here in a LONG time.

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These threads disgust me. It seems Texags has more Islamic scholars per capita than most Islamic countries.

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In addition to disgust, I'm outraged that other people try to speak authoritatively on the subject.

I've already claimed the title of "Islamic Scholar in Residence" based upon those two courses I took on the subject at A&M years ago. That puts me head and shoulders above everyone else.

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Oh, your 'RetiredAg post notification' must have gone off. Good to see you pop in to fixate again.

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Seriously Martin, even though I rarely agree with this pajama wearing, wanna-be hippie, you seem a little fixated on him. Just let it go.

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Pajama pants are the best and can be worn at home or in public!

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Oh, your 'RetiredAg post notification' must have gone off. Good to see you pop in to fixate again.

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Seriously Martin, even though I rarely agree with this pajama wearing, wanna-be hippie, you seem a little fixated on him. Just let it go.

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OP, why do you say Muslims are the most devout?

This was moved here from the politics board. I doubt he'll respond.

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Plus, I'd say that Mormons are the most devout of the religious groups, with Muslims not far behind.

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Nope. Unless you've lived in their part of the country you just haven't met enough of them to know otherwise.

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Plus, I'd say that Mormons are the most devout of the religious groups, with Muslims not far behind.

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Nope. Unless you've lived in their part of the country you just haven't met enough of them to know otherwise.

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Okay. Was just going on my perception based on the ones I have met.

Let's be honest... very few people are actually devout in their religions compared to the way they try to appear to others.

Most everyone lies, cheats and steals. Some are just better at pretending they don't than others.

Oh, forgot about the Amish. I'd put them up there too.

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Plus, I'd say that Mormons are the most devout of the religious groups, with Muslims not far behind.

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Nope. Unless you've lived in their part of the country you just haven't met enough of them to know otherwise.

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And if you've lived in Muslim countries you know just how few of them are devout, particularly in the Wahhabi sense.

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Plus, I'd say that Mormons are the most devout of the religious groups, with Muslims not far behind.

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Nope. Unless you've lived in their part of the country you just haven't met enough of them to know otherwise.

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And if you've lived in Muslim countries you know just how few of them are devout, particularly in the Wahhabi sense.

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I was not making a statement on Muslim devoutness, simply Mormon devoutness.

So what's the metric for devotion again?