swimmerbabe11 said:

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Woah.
I think most artists and people who do custom work in general would disagree.

There is a huge difference between me making shoes made for mass retail and me designing custom shoes for a consumer who plans to wear them for a specific event

Okay, so now that my hippy dippy artist side is done being scandalized by the difference between mass consumption and customization...

The difference wasn't just the venue. I mentioned mormons because it was codified in their religion at one point to be racist. Not so for...anyone else (except maybe hindu caste system, but that isn't relevant here) For these, they are being expected to serve an event that is against their religious beliefs. They should be allowed to abstain.

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I'm not suggesting you're making things for mass retail or that there isn't a vast qualitative and aesthetic difference, just that the distinction you're making doesn't really work from a legal perspective. Profit is still the prime motivator. As such, when you're interacting with a customer, you're not interacting as a private individual but as a public merchant involved in the act of commerce. You have to be willing to treat all individuals equally on the basis of their merits rather than inherent traits.

That was an interesting post to edit...

AstroAg17 said:

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I liked it. The friends for eternity thing made me chuckle but it obviously came from a good place.

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Thanks for the encouragement.

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I don't understand what you mean. If gays can be part of loving parental relationships, and it's actually more loving for gay people to adopt a baby than it is for a straight couple to have a baby, isn't gay marriage a positive thing?

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Ok, in my opinion, there is a problem, as making marriage about something other than parenting is detrimental. My opinion is that normalizing homosexual activity has a negative impact here. The message here should be marriage is about creating kids, and taking care of the kids that you create.

That aside, adopting kids is an awesome thing. Doing it within a stable relationship is the best way. I would hold a married homosexual couple that adopted an orphan from Haiti in pretty high regard, while still thinking that the homosexual part of the situation is a negative. This view conflicts a bit, but is still logical.

I'm not sure that many homosexuals would support a change in the law that prevented them from getting married unless kids were involved.

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AstroAg17 said:

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I liked it. The friends for eternity thing made me chuckle but it obviously came from a good place.

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Right. I didn't get why it was edited.

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I felt it was too personal for a public forum so I just took it down.

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booboo91 said:

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Beer Baron said:

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Beer,

Question- So is it ok to be anti anything? Can we be anti porn, anti- polygomy, anti strip clubs,prostitues, deadbeat dads, people cheating on their spouse? Some folks think these things are ok (otherwise they would not be so so popular). Who cares if no one is getting hurt? Live and let live. Do it, if it feels good!

Help me understand where you draw the line? And why?

What I find funny is you try to narrow the subject just to your specific personal issue (gay marriage) and I try and broaden to the big picture to try and include everyone.

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You're free to be against whatever you want. You just don't get to simultaneously say you're not anti-that thing.

Using your own example, if I said "Hey porn consumer, I'm not anti-porn at all. I'm really not. However, I'm going to spend 3 pages arguing for why you need to destroy your porn collection. I'm going to advocate for laws that prohibit you from getting access to pornography. Pornography is not a good thing, and consumption of it goes against God. You need to pray to not have pornography be something that's in you're life. But I'm not anti-pornography."

The bold statements are simply not true, given all the other things I said.

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Based on that response (or no response on drawing the line). It is settled Please put me down as Anti- Sin!

Very common Christian Phrase- Love the Sinner hate the Sin.

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That phrase is from Ghandi. And he said it in jest. He argued that you cannot separate the "sinner" from the "sin." To hate one is to demean the other.

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Wrong, no, not quite.

The phrase is from Augustine in Letter 211.

The actual Ghandi quote:

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Man and his deed are two distinct things. Whereas a good deed should call forth approbation and a wicked deed disapprobation, the doer of the deed, whether good or wicked, always deserves respect or pity as the case may be. 'Hate the sin and not the sinner' is a precept which, though easy enough to understand, is rarely practiced, and that is why the poison of hatred spreads in the world.
- The Story of My Experiments with Truth

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He's arguing the exact opposite of what you said.