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If anything, I've at least noticed a sharp decline in the number naysayers showing up in this thread, but then again they may have either lost interest, or we finally/inadvertently ran them off.

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AgBQ-00 said:

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I find it curious how many people can see officials from governments all over the world (1st world countries all the way down to 3rd world countries) confirming, implying and saying there is something to all of this, and they laugh it off with no curiosity. Just odd.

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Joes said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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I find it curious how many people can see officials from governments all over the world (1st world countries all the way down to 3rd world countries) confirming, implying and saying there is something to all of this, and they laugh it off with no curiosity. Just odd.

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I can't believe I'm reading on a UFO forum "Why won't people simply believe those in government?"

It's like Bizarro World. The overwhelming sentiment from this community is that everyone in power lies and covers up but when the same tiny handful of self-serving people say what you want to hear over and over then we're supposed to just accept their words.

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AgBQ-00 said:

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Not talking about believing in the gvt...talking about curiosity. Not even talking about believing or not, but interest that yeah this may be happening and leaving room for developments of what is happening.

Just seems strange to me to not stay open and evaluating. I haven't the foggiest of what is going on. Something is going on though.

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Joes said:

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AgBQ-00 said:

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I find it curious how many people can see officials from governments all over the world (1st world countries all the way down to 3rd world countries) confirming, implying and saying there is something to all of this, and they laugh it off with no curiosity. Just odd.

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I can't believe I'm reading on a UFO forum "Why won't people simply believe those in government?"

It's like Bizarro World. The overwhelming sentiment from this community is that everyone in power lies and covers up but when the same tiny handful of self-serving people say what you want to hear over and over then we're supposed to just accept their words.

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To be fair, the whole point of this is that people on the "disclosure is coming" side are saying the government has been lying for decades and that hopefully their lies are going to be exposed. Not that you should trust the government. Rather that you should maybe trust the whistleblowers who are trying to expose the government. So looking at it that way, you and they would be in agreement.

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If these things truly have capabilities beyond our own scientific understanding, how are they held in check (secrecy) by a government? That doesn't make any sense to me. They could do (and appear) whatever and wherever they want.

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Someone here gets really worked up if you don't believe in aliens the way he believes in aliens…

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TCTTS said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Someone here gets really worked up if you don't believe in aliens the way he believes in aliens…

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A single response to him isn't getting "worked up." And I could not care less if he or you "believe" or not. It's how annoying and seemingly purposefully obtuse y'all tend to be in your disbelief that simply requires retorts from time to time. That's it and that's all.

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Lue Elizondo tells Ross Coulthart the U.S. has retrieved “vehicles of unknown origin” and “the occupants of these vehicles to include biological specimens.”

“We are not alone in this universe… the U.S. Govt has been aware of that fact now for decades.”#ufox #ufotwitter #ufo pic.twitter.com/kgrEinlwse

— UAP James (@UAPJames) August 20, 2024

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I don't recall how my first UAP history lesson in a SCIF with Hal began, but I remember Hal tossing off the most enticing one-liner I'd ever heard: "Well . . . it all goes back to Roswell in 1947." "WaitRoswell was real?" I asked. Hal looked at me, clearly weighing whether to bring me further into his circle of trust. "Yes, Lue, it was real." "You mean to tell me that a UAP actually crashed and we covered it up?" "That's exactly what happened," he replied. I went quiet, and let his words sink in. Hal went on to tell me something else that truly blew my mind. Four deceased nonhuman bodies were in fact recovered from the 1947 Roswell crash.

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Roswell codified how this nation and all others would react to future UAP incidents going forward. The US government scripted the universal UAP playbook in the hours and days following that mysterious incident in New Mexico: Admit nothing and deny everything. Make counteraccusations. Retrieve the pieces of the crashed craft. Whisk the retrieved materials away to undisclosed locations. Work in secret to reverse-engineer this vastly superior technology. Lock down all scientists and engineers who come near the recovered wreckage. Intimidate witnesses into saying nothing. Discredit those who don't play along. Make them look crazy. Paint abductees as country bumpkins or glory-seeking frauds. Stigmatize outside researchers who attempt to intelligently glean truth. Stigmatize the topic. Threaten anyone who utters a single word about this topic with the US Espionage Act and the promise to execute anyone who defies their secrecy oath, by reminding them of what happened to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for selling atomic secrets to the Soviet Union. Deny, deny, deny. Create and increase a stigma that will prevent disclosure.

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TCTTS said:

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I still think we're probably a few years away from any form of disclosure (I'd say at some point before 2030, though), but it certainly feels like an undeniable number of cracks are starting to form in the dam. I just don't see how anyone can discount this many legitimate voices, and the seriousness with which the subject is increasingly being treated by additional legitimate officials, scientists, journalists, etc. If anything, I've at least noticed a sharp decline in the number naysayers showing up in this thread, but then again they may have either lost interest, or we finally/inadvertently ran them off.

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I check into this thread regularly when I see it bumped out of morbid curiosity, there are basically three people here who even try to keep this going, one of which is a religious nut and the other is an anti-religious nut, and it's the same thing over and over and over. I don't bother posting because what's the point?

And when this stuff makes its way onto the actual news forum it gets mocked out of existence quickly by everyone. New documentaries and books and "maybe something will happen next year", as always. Only now I guess that's been pushed up to 2030. What happened to Fox's promise on video last year that by the middle of this year we'd all see undeniable proof that the mainstream can't ignore? Where are the hearings? Where is Grusch's promised paper? Where are the promised 40 or whatever first-hand whistleblowers to follow him? This is the world's most egregious case of The Boy Who Cried Wolf" ever.

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It's been one year since Grusch. That's it. And it's an election year, at that. Meaning officials won't have time for hearings and the like until after the election, which is something that has been mentioned here numerous times before. As for Grusch's paper and the 40 first-hand whistleblowers, no one ever said those witnesses were coming forward imminently - or at all - and the news has already been shared that his paper is still under DOPSR review. Again, this is all PROCESS, one that isn't going to adhere to your arbitrary timeline/expectations.

Also, please show me Fox's "promise on video last year that by the middle of this year we'd all see undeniable proof that the mainstream can't ignore." Because I have ZERO recollection of Fox or anyone else making such bold claims. Again, Fox has a documentary coming out early next year, the making of which has been chronicled in this thread for months, even in the last few days, a documentary that many people think will certainly cause some noise. But claims of "undeniable proof" sound like something you made up in your head, because I sure as **** haven't ever relayed such claims.

That, and nothing has been "pushed to 2030." In fact, I can't tell you how many times I and others in this thread have said that we think the cat will be out of the bag "in the next few years," by 2030, etc. Sure, we always hope for faster progress, but I nor anyone else here has ever said that proof or disclosure was coming within the year. Not once.

Again, you seem to be imagining things, holding people to those imaginary claims, and then calling them out for not adhering to your imagination. Either that, or you're simply not taking the time to read the actual words we're typing or the tweets/articles we're posting. Which is totally fine, but then don't hold us to your imagination/misinterpretations, stemming from your own lack of understanding.

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Literally nothing I said in that post had anything to do with belief. Rather, Joes was holding this thread/subject to standards he invented in his head, which I simply corrected. Otherwise, I have no ****ing clue what you're talking about, seeing as, again, his or your belief, or lack there of, means jack **** to me. I could not care less about proving anything to people like you. For the umpteenth time, it's not your disbelief that's annoying, it's simply your posting habits and the ways in which you express your incredulity.

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