IATSE votes to strike

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oragator
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As if things weren't already backed up enough as far as projects, can only imagine what this would do if it comes to pass and is protracted,

https://deadline.com/2021/10/hollywood-iatse-strike-vote-alyssa-milano-rosie-odonnell-1234849381/
The Dog Lord
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So 90% of members voted with 98% approving, and actors are heavily supporting as well.

Quote: "This vote is about the quality of life as well as the health and safety of those who work in the film and television industry. Our people have basic human needs like time for meal breaks, adequate sleep, and a weekend. For those at the bottom of the pay scale, they deserve nothing less than a living wage."

For those more familiar, are things really that crappy for crew?
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The Debt
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Time is money...guaranteeing an hour lunch break or shorter work days will mean greater aggregate production cost, who eats those costs?

It's not like a happier crew will result in new revenue potential. So either the studios take a bath or the talent take less...I bet I know who the studios will choose.
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Sounds exactly like residency so I sympathize with them. I had months I worked 400+ hours and days where I would get to the hospital at 7pm, leave the hospital at 4pm and be back at 7pm 3 hours later to do it all again without time to sleep and barely time to eat.
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I saw this earlier. They were still able to produce some movies and TV a few years ago during the writers strike, but it lead to some poor quality movies that couldn't be rewritten.
I think this strike would lead to a complete stop in production. I don't think they can do without this stuff or find scabs to do the work that quickly or cheaply.
The Milkman
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Do we need to mention Friday Night Lights season 2?
TCTTS
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Exactly. Literally every production would be forced to shut down, and even writers' rooms would be greatly impacted, seeing as writers' assistants are part of the IATSE as well. So likely no writing of shows either. Basically, the only thing this wouldn't affect would be development (at production companies and studios) and the agencies.

All that said, because it would be so devastating to the industry, if a strike actually happens, I can't see it lasting long. The industry literally can't afford it, on multiple fronts.
The Dog Lord
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AgStuckinLBK said:

Sounds exactly like residency so I sympathize with them. I had months I worked 400+ hours and days where I would get to the hospital at 7pm, leave the hospital at 4pm and be back at 7pm 3 hours later to do it all again without time to sleep and barely time to eat.
I've never understood this. Why would we want sleep-deprived medical staff? I would assume there is a shortage of qualified doctors, nurses, etc. (especially right now), but I've heard these stories for years. I even here about it from desirable locations that would likely draw plenty of people, so what is it about the profession that causes this?
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TCTTS said:

Exactly. Literally every production would be forced to shut down, and even writers' rooms would be greatly impacted, seeing as writers' assistants are part of the IATSE as well. So likely no writing of shows either. Basically, the only thing this wouldn't affect would be development (at production companies and studios) and the agencies.

All that said, because it would be so devastating to the industry, if a strike actually happens, I can't see it lasting long. The industry literally can't afford it, on multiple fronts.
I'm assuming that's why they're doing this now. The industry is trying to bounce back from COVID, so they know it's not a good time. Good on them.
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Yep. Good point.
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The Dog Lord said:

AgStuckinLBK said:

Sounds exactly like residency so I sympathize with them. I had months I worked 400+ hours and days where I would get to the hospital at 7pm, leave the hospital at 4pm and be back at 7pm 3 hours later to do it all again without time to sleep and barely time to eat.
I've never understood this. Why would we want sleep-deprived medical staff? I would assume there is a shortage of qualified doctors, nurses, etc. (especially right now), but I've heard these stories for years. I even here about it from desirable locations that would likely draw plenty of people, so what is it about the profession that causes this?


There has long been a mentality in medical professions of "if I could make it through then they should too." Very much a rite of passage.

It should be noted that this has been changing over the years for exactly the same reasons as noted in this thread. Plus, and not to detract from this strike, but a sleep-deprived doctor is significantly more dangerous than most crew members (except maybe the stunt driver?).

All kidding aside, good for them for standing up for themselves.
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The Dog Lord said:

AgStuckinLBK said:

Sounds exactly like residency so I sympathize with them. I had months I worked 400+ hours and days where I would get to the hospital at 7pm, leave the hospital at 4pm and be back at 7pm 3 hours later to do it all again without time to sleep and barely time to eat.
I've never understood this. Why would we want sleep-deprived medical staff? I would assume there is a shortage of qualified doctors, nurses, etc. (especially right now), but I've heard these stories for years. I even here about it from desirable locations that would likely draw plenty of people, so what is it about the profession that causes this?
Typically hospitals seem to have lots of turnover. It can be a mental and physical strain and a lot of people get tired of it. Add to the fact that dealing with patients on what is usually their worst day isn't really fun. You will get treated like **** by patients. Its not all thank you's and adoration. When covid hit, it was really strange that people would come say thank you while I was pumping gas or something on my way home in scrubs.

The medical field can be a tough and depressing job.



RikkiTikkaTagem
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The Dog Lord said:

AgStuckinLBK said:

Sounds exactly like residency so I sympathize with them. I had months I worked 400+ hours and days where I would get to the hospital at 7pm, leave the hospital at 4pm and be back at 7pm 3 hours later to do it all again without time to sleep and barely time to eat.
I've never understood this. Why would we want sleep-deprived medical staff? I would assume there is a shortage of qualified doctors, nurses, etc. (especially right now), but I've heard these stories for years. I even here about it from desirable locations that would likely draw plenty of people, so what is it about the profession that causes this?


There's some complicated history behind it. I don't think it started from a bad place necessarily, but it's really unneeded now. I will say though that I got top notch training and I'm a much better doctor for it now but unfortunately that level of training breaks some people and leads to some bad outcomes.
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Residents were free labor as house staffs for Academic medical centers and helped them attract specialists as adjunct faculty

Back to the thread though I have no problem with them wanting Hulu and Netflix and apple to pay up
i is smart
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Is that how Netflix has been able to launch eleventy billion shows that never get past the first season?

Edit: I meant to respond to the Tweet Thread on "New Media", but didn't want to quote the whole thing.
oragator
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And magically, guess who is now coming back to the bargaining table? The directors guild backed them today too, I think this is a short fight.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/iatse-amptp-agree-to-resume-bargaining-on-tuesday-following-historic-strike-authorization-vote-1234849490/
Definitely Not A Cop
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James Bond has been delayed until February 2023 in reaction to the news.
BenTheGoodAg
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I assume Top Gun was delayed in anticipation of the news, again when the news was confirmed, and again anytime new relevant information is shared.
The Debt
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The Dog Lord said:

AgStuckinLBK said:

Sounds exactly like residency so I sympathize with them. I had months I worked 400+ hours and days where I would get to the hospital at 7pm, leave the hospital at 4pm and be back at 7pm 3 hours later to do it all again without time to sleep and barely time to eat.
I've never understood this. Why would we want sleep-deprived medical staff? I would assume there is a shortage of qualified doctors, nurses, etc. (especially right now), but I've heard these stories for years. I even here about it from desirable locations that would likely draw plenty of people, so what is it about the profession that causes this?

I know plenty of doctors that routinely do 80-100 hr weeks. Im sure the fact that doctors kill 250k per year by medical mistakes is unrelated.

But the problem is the number of doctors in this country is tightly regulated, same with nurses. Boards and medical schools work to keep the market with low supply.

But back to the OP, apparently people will kill themselves to be in the film industry. They have been putting in 100 hr weeks to get recognized and possibly advance. Imagine having an army of paid interns that are easily replaced.
oragator
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Not resolved yet, doesn't seem close, and the union set a Monday strike date.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/hollywood-strike-date-iatse-producers-1234855030/
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oragator said:

And magically, guess who is now coming back to the bargaining table? The directors guild backed them today too, I think this is a short fight.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/iatse-amptp-agree-to-resume-bargaining-on-tuesday-following-historic-strike-authorization-vote-1234849490/
The DGA president and board backed them. Nobody asked what we members thought. There are a lot of Directors Guild 1st AD's and UPM's who are producers. We were not thrilled when the DGA higher ups allowed Randall Miller to direct again (under a DGA signatory) even though it violated the conditions of his parol so we don't always see eye to eye. They just want to keep their directors working and that is all they really care about.

oragator
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Crisis averted,


https://deadline.com/2021/10/details-of-new-iatse-contract-that-averted-strike-union-got-nearly-everything-it-was-asking-for-1234857132/

uujm
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oragator said:

Crisis averted,


https://deadline.com/2021/10/details-of-new-iatse-contract-that-averted-strike-union-got-nearly-everything-it-was-asking-for-1234857132/


It still has to be ratified by the members and the members are not happy with the agreement. They are saying they are going to vote no.
oragator
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Didn't want to clutter the other thread, but wonder if the Baldwin debacle guarantees a no vote now by the union.
oragator
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It passed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/iatse-union-narrowly-ratifies-new-contract-with-hollywood-producers.html
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