*** STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER ***

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12:07p, 4/15/19
AG

Why are you guys putting spoiler tags on everything?
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 12:10p, 4/15/19
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Because Muckracker just posted a couple of vague but juicy tidbits. Straight from Lucasfilm. And now we're speculating based on those tidbits.
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12:10p, 4/15/19
AG
I don't normally consider theories spoilers, but in this case maybe because there is some insider info involved
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12:12p, 4/15/19
Keep in mind Jar Jar also had a secret military base. It was underwater just like the destroyed deathstar
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:17p, 4/15/19
AG

Ilke your thoughts here. good work.

I really like the idea that it is Lando. that makes a lot of sense - he was a con man of sorts always had connections and always making deals, maybe he can just find it for them.

Conversely I don't like the idea of having to conjure palpatine- why would he even help them?

Searching for something on the death star also makes sense.

the legacy of the Skywalkers also makes sense - from JJ point of view to tie it altogether and pay homage to it all and even elevate it if you can - ambitious really. I also love how Rey can be a Skywalker then but nobody knew it - makes sense with the sudden skills she had, and the connections she had to people instantly, etc.

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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 12:22p, 4/15/19
AG
The Lando bit only throws me because we see him in the trailer, it's not like him being in the movie is a big secret or anything. But he presumably doesn't know anything that Leia doesn't know.

I think if I were a Jedi that needed to contact someone to get information on an old imperial base that Anakin Skywalker is probably the call.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 12:27p, 4/15/19
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I didn't even think that if the "power" of the Skywalker name DOES go back pre-Shmi, how Rey could be related to some OTHER Skywalker. That's interesting.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:43p, 4/15/19
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I think we may all be overthinking that bit.

In the same way that we saw that kid telling the story at the end of TLJ, this movie may end with a kid or someone in the future describing Rey's actions and describing her as a 'Skywalker.' Which could kind of bring the story full circle but without her literally being related to anyone called Skywalker. She would literally both be born a nobody, and a Skywalker.

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In reply to bobinator • 12:48p, 4/15/19
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Hmmm. Yeah, we ARE probably overthinking it a bit, but I'm going to be really disappointed if some tribe or kid randomly comes up with naming her a "Skywalker" - which also just so happens to be the last name of the lineage we've been speculating she's a part of for two movies now. That seems insanely coincidental and like such a frustratingly and cheaply sentimental "out."
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:56p, 4/15/19
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I dunno, it doesn't feel any cheaper to me than having her actually be a secret clone of Luke.
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In reply to bobinator • 1:19p, 4/15/19
AG
I will say that if the movie is ultimately about Rey "earning" the name Skywalker - via a primitive tribe or something of that ilk - that definitely works better for the title. "The Rise of Skywalker" is then literally about Rey, only she's a nobody who is "anointed" that name rather than being part of the lineage. And it would make more sense than the title for the ninth and final movie being about something that ultimately began before even Episode I. Still, I just can't get over the coincidence of it. It would be eye-roll-inducing, and I don't even know if the most perfectly handled version of it would work. We're talking BvS "Martha" territory in terms of dumb coincidences.
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1:19p, 4/15/19
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Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi, and now The Rise of Skywalker. To me Skywalker this is just signaling that Skywalker is going to from a lineage to an order. This trilogy has been toying with the lines between myth and reality, so perhaps this final chapter will deal with what makes a person mythologize someone they knew to be a complicated person with faults. Rey is going to create a new order, and its going to be in the mold of the hero version of Luke, because everyone in the galaxy is talking about what he did in TLJ. I think its convenient for speculation that it also fuels fan theories about Rey's lineage...in my opinion.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:20p, 4/15/19
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These are the same folks that gave us the Solo originating from an Imperial officer filling out a form.

and when can we stop using these spoiler tags... this thread is going to look like a government UFO report.
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In reply to Flashdiaz • 1:21p, 4/15/19
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I'm down to create a spoiler thread. We're going to need one eventually. Or is that why staff created spoiler tags in the first place?
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1:25p, 4/15/19
AG
I don't think we need to tag any of this.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:26p, 4/15/19
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I agree, I'm just saying that certainly appears to be the simplest explanation.
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In reply to The Collective • 1:27p, 4/15/19
AG
Muck's intel seems pretty legit. All of this speculation is (likely) based in some fact. And I can name at least one poster who would throw a fit if we were openly speculating based on those tidbits.
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1:29p, 4/15/19
AG
I don't really think I would consider any of this spoilers. I was just using the tags because everyone else was.

But I don't really like actual spoilers which is what another thread would turn into.
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1:32p, 4/15/19
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Y'all know me. Personally, I wouldn't be spoiler tagging any of this. Especially not even the hand theory. I'm sick of having to tag everything and it DOES look like damned UFO report. It's ridiculous. But this is what Spilner and a few others seemingly want. So what do we do?
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1:33p, 4/15/19
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my eyes hurt...
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1:38p, 4/15/19
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Well my thinking is that these definitely aren't spoilers. We were already theorizing different meanings for 'Skywalker' and trying to figure out how the emperor/Death Star were involved.
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1:39p, 4/15/19
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How about this... STAR THIS POST if you agree that spoiler tags should only be reserved for actual, tangible spoilers; meaning major plot points that have been CONFIRMED. If this post gets, say, 10 stars, every theory we've been discussing comes out from behind spoiler tags - even though they might be based in some kind of vague truth - and we can discuss them freely and openly. Just so there's SOME kind of tangible, "Okay, we're doing this" warning/agreement.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:42p, 4/15/19
AG
TCTTS said:
How about this... STAR THIS POST if you agree that spoiler tags should only be reserved for actual, tangible spoilers; meaning major plot points that have been CONFIRMED. If this post gets, say, 10 stars, every theory we've been discussing comes out from behind spoiler tags and we can discuss them freely.
How are you defining confirmed? Is Muckraker's info "confirmed" because given the supposed source I think that's a real spoiler.
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1:42p, 4/15/19
AG
While Spilner is away, we make the rules.
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In reply to Ag Since 83 • 1:43p, 4/15/19
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Reported and confirmed by a reputable outlet? Honestly, I don't know. I believe Muck's info is legit too, which is what makes this tricky.
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In reply to Ag Since 83 • 1:44p, 4/15/19
AG
I actually have a solution for this, which is to not directly reference what was in Muck's post. We were already discussing similar theories and questions, so the discussion itself isn't a spoiler. Just don't say something "well we know from Muck's post that..."

By confirmed spoiler though I usually mean stuff like unofficial set photos or whatever.
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In reply to bobinator • 1:48p, 4/15/19
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Yeah, but people are going to put two-and-two together regardless and immediately realize the discussion originated from Muck's post. Personally, his posts are so vague that I don't think it matters.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:51p, 4/15/19
AG
And there it is. The stars have it.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:53p, 4/15/19
AG
Ha, and now someone TOOK AWAY their star. Back to nine! The drama!
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:53p, 4/15/19
AG
11!
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1:54p, 4/15/19
AG
So now that we can openly discuss how Finn is Darth Maul's son, what does that mean for the rest of the movie?
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:55p, 4/15/19
AG
haha sorry I did it for a second but put it back
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1:56p, 4/15/19
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In reply to bobinator • 1:56p, 4/15/19
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Have you seen the set pics with Finn having grown horns? So cool...
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In reply to bobinator • 1:58p, 4/15/19
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bobinator said:
Plagueis creating Anakin is the other thing I considered on my Anakin Skywalker thing, but we've never gotten any sort of solid timeline for when Sidious killed Plagueis.
I've seen on a few Youtube vids posted about Sidious/Plagueis that he was killed sometime around the time Palpatine became ambassador of Naboo. Have no idea how accurate that is.
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