Conservatives should never have surrendered higher education to the Left

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Timely piece and worth a read and discussion....

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/2981677/conservatives-should-never-have-surrendered-higher-education-to-the-left/
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Conservatives should never have surrendered higher education to the Left
By Becket AdamsApril 28, 2024 6:00 am

The biggest mistake conservatives ever made was surrendering higher education to left-wing radicals.

Everything everything! that conservatives rightly identify as an illness in modern culture flows from this. From racial tensions to attacks on the nuclear family, the problem can be traced back directly to those who dominate higher educational systems.

In fact, at the non-collegiate level, it wasn't until around 2020, with the COVID-19 pandemic, that certain conservative parents of K-12 students were even exposed for the first time to the realities of what their children were being taught. Though the remote learning experience motivated these parents to get more involved in their children's education and to investigate closely what, exactly, is being taught in the schools they've entrusted with their sons and daughters, one can't help but ask why this wasn't being done in the first place. Why did it take nationwide school closures for conservative parents to notice what their children were being taught?

It is because the Right, for too long, has not cared about education the way it cares about national defense, the Second Amendment, illegal immigration, or the right to life. It has more or less surrendered the matter to the Left.

People on the Right joke about how weird academia is and how nutty left-wing professors seem to be and then go right on sending their children to these same schools.

It's true that certain parts of the Right have responded to the illiberalism of higher education by founding their own schools. Yet, this is surrender by another, albeit more proactive, name. Implicit in the founding of explicitly conservative colleges is the belief that the Ivy Leagues and state schools are unsalvageable.

Now, after decades of near-total liberal dominance, we are witnessing violent clashes on our most prestigious campuses between police and college students cosplaying as Hamas terrorists, all while Jewish faculty and students flee to secure their own safety.

It's shocking. It's unsettling. It's also entirely predictable.

Colleges and universities have become hotbeds of left-wing activism, especially since Oct. 7, 2023, when Hamas invaded Israel and murdered some 1,000-plus civilians. Since that time and Israel's military response, students have staged protests, even erecting encampments, calling for, among other things, the destruction of Israel. They hold signs with messages such as, "Fight for worldwide Intifada." Student demonstrators such as the ones at Columbia University march all over the country in protest, chanting, "Globalize the Intifada," "There is only one solution: Intifada, revolution," "Burn Tel Aviv to the ground," "Go Hamas, we love you, we support your rockets, too," "Say it loud, say it clear: We don't want no Zionists here," and "Free our prisoners, free them all Zionism will fall."....

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Old McDonald
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republican elites will loudly denounce academia and then quietly pay consultants five figures to get their mediocre kids into the Ivy League
Stressboy
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What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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Too many refuse to not teach because it doesn't pay enough and they want to be comfortable. Many have lost the ability to serve and sacrifice and the libs took over those jobs.
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Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.


Or become worthwhile academics. You can't change the system if you aren't in the room.
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Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.
Well, yeah, there does seem to be a difference in motivation between the two sides of the political spectrum. It seems that everything else being equal, liberals prefer having jobs that influence society (e.g., academia and entertainment), while conservatives prefer getting paid well.
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Homeschool
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Seems like the author thinks this has just happened within the last few years. I've had the impression it's been for quite a while, although yes, the left is getting militant with the way they're indoctrinating in schools now.
I identify as Ultra-MAGA
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Old McDonald said:

republican elites will loudly denounce academia and then quietly pay consultants five figures to get their mediocre kids into the Ivy League


Do you mean exactly like those famous Hollywood Liberals did to get their children into college too? Are you so naive to think ******bag behavior is confined to only wealthy Republicans and not Democrats, or was just another drive-by troll to slander Republicans with irrelevant nonsense?
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Lol! You can go back 100 years and I bet conservatives thought universities were full of liberal professors. Granted they are way more liberal than ever. .
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Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.


This is like saying straight people shouldn't have surrendered hairdressing.

The academic sector isn't attractive to people who like to do things, build and lead. It attracts those comfortable being quite unproductive yet still seek the perception of authority.

There is a huge self selection problem
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.


Or become worthwhile academics. You can't change the system if you aren't in the room.


If I went that route it would be in the sciences where real advancements happen still would not stop the political science majors or liberal arts folks being brainwashed to save the world or they are worthless.

I think that goes with many rational people. There are only a few of us willing to go the route of Victor Davis Hansen and put up those self-righteous Marxists.
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BonfireNerd04 said:

Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.
Well, yeah, there does seem to be a difference in motivation between the two sides of the political spectrum. It seems that everything else being equal, liberals prefer having jobs that influence society (e.g., academia and entertainment), while conservatives prefer getting paid well.


Or building things that make the world work or work better. It's not all about the money.
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But why do leftist profs teach students to hate Jews? This seems not to fit with other left wing beliefs. The Jews have been oppressed for centuries.
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Bryanisbest said:

But why do leftist profs teach students to hate Jews? This seems not to fit with other left wing beliefs. The Jews have been oppressed for centuries.


They teach Marxism that classifies people into one of two categories, oppressor and oppressed. Then their ethics teach that the oppressor is bad, can do no good, and the oppressed is good, and can do no bad. These marxists have classified the Palestinians as oppressed, and they need an oppressor to channel anger towards, which is Israel and by extension Jews. This is also compounded by the general hatred of Jews taught in Islam.

You have to understand the Marxism beliefs they subscribe to is a religious belief system with its own morals. And those morals revolve around oppressors are the evil in the world and the oppressed are the good in the world. This moral code explains all of their behavior.

And there is no questioning the evilness of the oppressor or the goodness of the oppressed. It's how their moral code defines them.

If you disagree with their classification you are by their definition evil.
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FBraggie said:

Homeschool


How do you homeschool higher education ?
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Stressboy said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.


Or become worthwhile academics. You can't change the system if you aren't in the room.


If I went that route it would be in the sciences where real advancements happen still would not stop the political science majors or liberal arts folks being brainwashed to save the world or they are worthless.

I think that goes with many rational people. There are only a few of us willing to go the route of Victor Davis Hansen and put up those self-righteous Marxists.
To many want their life to be more comfortable, so they avoid the teaching route to make more money and have given up control of the education field.
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Yea, this is true, and the Neo-Marxists (they are really almost Western Maoists) have made themselves the state and institutional religion, funded and supported by the state, but they claim the mantle of politics so they get state funding and support. They subsume institutions systematically and then use their resources to advance their revolution. They slowly oppress and purge nonbelievers from the institution, or at least power within it. And it is both strategic by an activist highly political core and dynamic or organic from the more naive cadre and believers who simply follow the basic ideology to the ends it proscribes without necessarily understanding what they are doing. They just feel righteous or at least comfortably conformist for doing so.
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It is a self selection process. Teaching or education attracts certain temperaments. In most settings, that will include agreeableness and openness as personality traits, and while there are distributions in education, this grouping will be feminine dominated.

As you move into the higher education realm, conscientiousness and openness dominate, and the self selection factors in interest distributions lead to a divergence between more male dominated STEM and the more female dominated Liberal Arts. There's been a century long war of sorts between STEM and LA over relative prestige and importance, and really STEM never realized it was in a fight. As universities became more bureaucratic, LA began to dominate that bureaucracy and as effectively won the war over control of Academic standards and practices, and has as a result distorted the way in which academic progress and knowledge are developed, advanced, and tested. It has also distorted how knowledge is propagated.

These temperament distributions within education institutions also highly reflect and influence their politics. Over time, the politics on the left have become more openly hostile and radical such that past a certain ratio in favor of the left, the radicals/activists silence their own moderates, and either inadvertently or intentionally harass and intimidate most or all of the remaining conservative minority into secrecy or departure. Then they take lack of any opposition or objection from within their institutions to be a reflection of the larger popular view instead of a biased selection.
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If these ignorant radicals are threatening Jewish students on A&M's campus, I hope other students whip their ass all the way down Hwy 6.
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I would hesitate to call it higher education anymore; more like political / social / cultural indoctrination camps. Problem is these people have taken over all of our regulatory, judicial and alphabet agencies at the federal level.
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Ag in Tiger Country said:

Old McDonald said:

republican elites will loudly denounce academia and then quietly pay consultants five figures to get their mediocre kids into the Ivy League


Do you mean exactly like those famous Hollywood Liberals did to get their children into college too? Are you so naive to think ******bag behavior is confined to only wealthy Republicans and not Democrats, or was just another drive-by troll to slander Republicans with irrelevant nonsense?
the difference is the hollywood libs aren't the ones hypocritically waging a culture war against academia

the people who lead the Republican Party and set the tone for the broader conservative movement want their rank and file base to distrust academia and universities and stop sending their children there. meanwhile they still go there and pay out the nose to send their kids there. what does that tell you?
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They do some of both which gives it a plausible veneer of legitimacy in the eyes of enough people, at least for a while.
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I just started working in public education 8 months ago and I can confirm the left have completely broken it in nearly every way. Kids are a freaking mess and so are the do-gooders in education. I can't see the system sustaining for another generation at this pace.
My daughter-in-law told me of her cohorts, no one is planning on putting their child in public education. There are so many viable alternatives now with homeschooling, charter schools, and private schools that more and more are opting out.
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dmart90 said:

Lol! You can go back 100 years and I bet conservatives thought universities were full of liberal professors. Granted they are way more liberal than ever. .
Probably. Much like every class at A&M since 1876 has believed A&M is going down the wrong path (although now there is actually some truth to it IMO)
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Interesting piece by Peter Zeihan on the future of higher education....

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Old McDonald said:

Ag in Tiger Country said:

Old McDonald said:

republican elites will loudly denounce academia and then quietly pay consultants five figures to get their mediocre kids into the Ivy League


Do you mean exactly like those famous Hollywood Liberals did to get their children into college too? Are you so naive to think ******bag behavior is confined to only wealthy Republicans and not Democrats, or was just another drive-by troll to slander Republicans with irrelevant nonsense?
the difference is the hollywood libs aren't the ones hypocritically waging a culture war against academia

the people who lead the Republican Party and set the tone for the broader conservative movement want their rank and file base to distrust academia and universities and stop sending their children there. meanwhile they still go there and pay out the nose to send their kids there. what does that tell you?

Conservatives don't send their kids to college for an education. They send their kids to college to check a box so they can do something productive.
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Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.


It could be a bully pulpit- but if you run from potshots from the left, then they will win.
Also, conservatives should have held their ground, but instead moved to suburbs and let the school and cities turn into cess pools. A simple, " no, that's not a good idea, an we will not concede that" would have changed things.
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Commies and the left have always had academia, the mistake was listening to their bull**** and letting it permeate government and our corporations.
Definitely Not A Cop
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Two options.

Pay educators enough that it's worthwhile for the right to see it as a viable profession (will never happen)

Stop requiring college degrees for every single job. Take the power away from them.


Some combination of the two probably need to happen.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Two options.

Pay educators enough that it's worthwhile for the right to see it as a viable profession (will never happen)

Stop requiring college degrees for every single job. Take the power away from them.


Some combination of the two probably need to happen.
Why does a salesman need a college degree?
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Eliminate government backed student loans and this problem would turn around quickly.

Only majors that are 100% worth it to students would survive. Women studies, sociology, etc. will all mostly go away.
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Owlagdad said:

Stressboy said:

What were conservatives to do? Become worthless academics? It kind of goes against the grain of independent minded people.


It could be a bulky pulpit- but if you run from potshots from the left, then they will win.
Also, conservatives should have held their ground, but instead moved to suburbs and let the school and cities turn into cess pools. A simple, " no, that's not a good idea, an we will not concede that" would have changed things.


Humans take the path of least resistance until backed into a corner that is why our founders took human nature into account with our government. What they did not account for is Marxism taking advantage of both our freedoms and human nature to undermine those same liberties.

They teach lazy people they are victims who can have everything they want if they take it away from those that have it.

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Some version of the "university" has set the underlying philosophies of a society for over 2,000 years.

The religious and political conservatives solution to progressive thought 100 years ago was to abandon the elite institutions(created by their philosophical forefathers) and launch their own. While also cultivating the belief that academia is "worthless".

All of this has had dire consequences.

Hey guess what, those companies "making", "creating", "doing", things.

Yeah, they are heavily influenced by the dominant philosophies of higher education as well.

Sure, small and medium sized independent business we all know, love, and even started ourselves. Many of them are under the thumbs of a banking system completely controlled by the dominant philosophies of the age.

Abandoning art and entertainment hasn't worked out so well either. Every human civilization ever has been driven partially by whatever institutional story telling and culture making that existed at the time. Those telling the stories control the narrative of how different people and ideas are presented and reinforced to the next generation.

The stories being told about traditional values, free market capitalism, constitutional republicanism, etc etc. Yeah, those narratives aren't that positive and they haven't been for a very long time.

We've taught our kids that academia and the arts are not worth their time at our own peril and the peril of future generations. Which narratives will survive the test of time? Well, the narratives that reinforce whatever worldview is held by those that control what narratives survive for the future generations to consume. And those levers of control are in the academy, tech sector, and arts/entertainment. Progressives are in full control of all three of those sectors. And they are working fast and furious on the academies of the Catholic and Protestant church and the levers of power within all the Catholic, Mainline, and Evangelical governing bodies. If those fall en masse, it's game set match.






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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Stop requiring college degrees for every single job. Take the power away from them.
funny thing is some big tech companies tried this over the last few years, but from the left. they figured college degree requirements were classist and anti-DEI so they did away with them for certain jobs. they ultimately found that these employees were comparatively low performing and have since quietly reinstated degree requirements.
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