Prove me wrong.

Oregon was nothing before Mike Bellotti.

Florida was nothing before Steve Spurrier, then went into a slump before Urban Meyer.

I have never come across anyone in any state that has thought of A&M as having a good football team.

Not saying we can't be a great program. We just never have been and many people refuse to acknowledge that. Time to quit being losers and reexamine everything we do.

CGSC: I think you need to re-read your history of the Florida Gators

And yes, the fanbase of the Ags are out of touch with reality, myself included.

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Per a quick glance of wikipedia:

Florida won 8+ games 13 times between 1906-1989. ZERO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS

Under Spurrier (1990-2001), they won 7 Division Championships, 6 Conference Championships, and a National Championship.

They had 453 wins prior to Spurrier and 122 wins under Spurrier.

They had almost 20% of the wins in their school's entire history under one coach.

you will be hard pressed to find someone not wearing maroon that will say Texas A&M has a top tier football program

as I posted in another thread...since we joing the Big 12 16 years ago
111-83 overall record .572 %
1 10 win season
1 conference title
6 non winning seasons

that is meidocore all over it

problem is that I grew up during the Jackie Sherrill era

Wisconsin was the same. A big school with a so-so football program until the 90's when they got it going.

No cares for or takes Wisconsin seriously. They are like us, only better.

It is just the same old story with A&M. They just do enough to really elevate expectations only to see them dashed in the rocks of mediocrity.

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I laughed

We never win anything because we are content with moral victories.

The schools that win national championships are not.

It seems that fellow Aggies are very successful in business and politics. Why do we have such lowered expectations in college football?

We are insignificant now, however all Ags look at the program throughout Sherrill colored glasses.

We still gush about Coryatt

Not sure how to phrase this so it doesn't sound like trolling, but exactly how do elevated expectations equate to championships? Seems to me it would bring about a coaching carousel, which is never good for a program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEJl4TMKMYE

"problem is that I grew up during the Jackie Sherrill era"

The problem is that your standards are so low that you long for a coach that was 10-17 against ranked teams, was 52-28-1 overall, won 2 bowl games, was 1-6 in openers, and almost got the death penalty to achieve that. That's not an opinion, that's simply the data.

Look at it this way, when one of your school's legendary coaches has no top five finishes, 2 bowl wins, and a .648 overall winning percentage you know your program has long-term problems.

Ouch

Joes with the chin music...POW

best post of day!
amen!
even the gay looking white milk men dudes running around the back of the end zone. really dont think that fits well with the SEC!
what were u people thinking?!
you cant even beat big 12 schools on a consistent basis...

I love reading all the crap about how this SEC move is best for A&M. How? Oh right because tu won't piss all over us anymore. Give me a break. Richard Justice had it right a couple of years back when he said we should go to Conference USA and wup-ass instead of consistently placing 3rd/4th/5th/last in the Big 12.
http://blog.chron.com/sportsjustice/2009/07/aggies-to-conference-usa-just-do-it-am/

This bs about putting 90-100K seats in Kyle makes me laugh. We cannot compete with the best or the second/third best in the Big 12 and we want to start playing LSU/Bama (hell Missouri now) every year? Losing by a TD sucks but wait until those 45-7 beatdowns start coming in the SEC week after week. Yeah, that'll put 100K in Kyle. How'd everyone feel after the Cotton last year? Did you feel like writing a check to the 12th Man? It took me 5 months to pull that checkbook back out and scratch that 2011 check.

We are just mediocre and I'm finally starting to realize it.

There is no way to prove A&M is a top program. It is a great, unique university with great school traditions. Many of our fans confuse those traditions with winning football traditions. Our very best years are now 70-90 years ago. The reality is we are a 2nd tier program that has an abundance of potential. We have to demand excellence. Last year should be thought of as an off year but our acceptance of mediocrity allows most Aggie fans to hang our hats on a 9-4 year. We won absolutely nothing last year. Until there is a transformation of the expectations from our decision makers, this kind of stuff will continue.

People are a lot more receptive of my views after a devastating loss. Interesting.

This might be a good time for everyone to reconsider the "Texas is scared to play A&M" theory that many Ags have convinced themselves of . . .

Last year was a great year, a year which we should have built on for an even better season this year. But apparently a&m is incapable of building and improving itself and going over the edge to become that great program. Same thing happened after 98.

I don't know if its the coaches, ad, a curse, or just lack of talent but until we can consistently improve and play to our potential we will be an average football program.

There could be light at the end of the tunnel and Sherman could be our Zooker...and lead us to:

Founding Member of the Hire Kirby Smart for 2012 Fan Club!!! Coach Smart: SEC Pedigree, Broyles Award Winner, Winner of 2009 MNC (as Bama DC)

We are a mediocre Big 12 team. Sucks.

I won't debate the issue of whether or not we are delusional about our history. The bigger issue is all those people who thought we were good simply because we played one half of a good season last year. The reality is that we had two good wins to end the season and beat the worst tu team in the past 10 years. One half a good season does not a dynasty make. Our fans thought we would be good this year because they wanted us to be good. Wanting something and getting something are two different things.

Whenever a list is released of the top 5 college football venues/fans/traditions we are one of them. Add our huge fan base and location, location, and we have a lot going for us.

"Guests", like Secgal above, don't get that, but who cares.

We have had scattered success, just not consistently or lately. We will get there. I don't think it will be with this coaching staff, but we will get there.

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When? We have never BEEN there. Traditions and all the fan accolades are better to have than not but I'm sick of our gameday experience or our classiness being a substitute for a great program.

hey joes a.k.a rookie posting dip *****. you are not likely an aggie so i'll try to explain - i think anyone would trade that level of enthusiasm, defense and mindset we had with sherrill and what his era ushered in with R.C. (the early years). man, it really sucked when we expected to win our conference, win bowl games, and beat our rivals every year... setting the bar real ******* low with that i guess, but it's a far cry from what we have now which is nothing short of mediocrity.

so, i'm not really sure what your point is beyond bashing jackie? no ag-tag and a rook post (i can only imagine). and you really think no one played ball the way jackie did? so, again i really don't know wtf your point is... i grew up when the Ags had high expectation, now we don't.... so, i'm bummed. when i was growing up, there was hardly anyone better than the Ags 1984-1994, 96-28-2. we had 6 ten win seasons, won our conference 6 times in the span of a decade and we were consistently in the top 10. i'd trade that for what we have now. so, go bury your head in someone else's ass, cause i'm not sure what your looking for in mine.

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You can polish a turd until it shines, but it doen't change the content. Our coaches and players in recent history provide indisputable proof.

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the SEC move will definitely suck for a&m.. no doubt about it. to play (well) in the SEC, you have to coach up your players and get them mean and tough as nails... this decision better be a 100 year decision, because i think the first 10 years are going to be painful.

as was stated earlier... no one is going to pay to see the ags get their ass handed to them