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Protecting Kyle at what cost?

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jmtamu
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I got this idea from another thread that got shut down for a different topic.

There was a "debate" regarding the '95 game against tu when they tried to rush Kyle field.
Some thought the corps should have not interfered?

Well, I was at that game and the PA announcer repeatably said that nobody should enter the field after the game and as soon as it was over their fans tried running onto the field.

Everybody stayed in the stand watching as corps members tackled tu fans NOWHERE close to the goalposts! After defending themselves and subdueing the tu fan, the corps would turn them over to UPD or CSPD and go for another one. It was an amazing site as we saw the keepers of the spirit do their job.

My question is - why do some of you feel this gives A&M a bad reputation? They were warned. This is our field. We protected our turf (no pun intended).

I have no doubt we will do the same this year, if need be.
Idk3
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hey i totally agree with you, stay off the field
aggiebrad94
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I think they (Texas fans) call it "entitlement"

I want therefore I get
Wildcat
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Absolutely no one will benefit from a post game brawl. The only circumstance in which Tech fans would rush the field is if they win. If that should happen, things might get ugly. It would be an embarrassment on a number of fronts.


I have never understood why anyone rushes the field following a game. What does it demonstrate? Why?

"My wife is in hell, where I sent her. She could make good biscuits, but her bahavior was terrible" Po Campo
aggie93
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The CT's in '95 did what they should have done under the circumstances but the circumstances should never have been allowed to occur. I guess no one thought that tu fans would be so stupid as to run onto Kyle. Now that we know this is common practice anytime we play Texas, OU, Tech or similar schools we should keep a heavy contingent of security people near the field with 5 minutes to go in the game concentrated on the South End Zone.

If it had been private security beating the crap out of tsippers in '95 they couldn't have tried changing the topic and crying about CT's beating them up. Still, having a choice between watching the goalposts be torn down at Kyle by the infidels vs getting some bad press about the Corps I choose option 2 every day of the week and twice on Sundays. If we ever play a game at Kyle where there is a 1/100% chance someone will storm the field and we don't have a monster security force protecting it I will expect for a few people to lose their jobs.

As a side note, my dad has always told me the story of his Sr Year at A&M (1957 season) when Texas outscored us at Kyle and 3 idiot tsips went for the goalposts. The Corps led by the OD's ran after them and caught one standing on the goalpost as his buddies abandoned him. Sabers were drawn and it was almost very ugly but they ended up letting the guy go.
AggieRJM64
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I agree with the corps of cadets chasing the sips/fleas off the filed, but not drawing their sabers. That could lead to a fatal accident, and the all hell will break loose.
downinaggieland
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I agree that no one benefits from it, but I was there in '95 also and I have no problem with how the Aggies reacted. A friend of mine's brother was one of the ones that got punched, and even she said he deserved it.

There is a huge difference between taking the high road, and letting some idiots vandalize something that is important to us.



[This message has been edited by downinaggieland (edited 10/2/2002 3:54p).]
doanj
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I was at that game in 95. I think the Corp did a great job. How stupid do you have to be to run into a crowd of cadets with swords?

Does anyone know a website or somewhere I can find some pictures of the brawl?
el matador
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What the hell were they protecting! Get a grip folks! It's just a football field at a public institution! It's not like the US defending itself against a foreign invasion. You people always sound like you're soldiers for an aggie nation! It's just a college and it's just a college sporting event!
CTP93
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It is really simple. You are at another school, and they have asked you to stay off the field. How hard is that?

I realize your own school ALSO asks you to stay off the field, and you ignore them...but just have a little respect when you are at someone else's place.

Is that so difficult? You learn that when you are three for cryin out loud.
AustinEricAg
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Sorry guys, but the entire things is stupid. Under no circumstances should the Corps, student body or alumni be responsible for keeping people off the field. If it is our policy or request that people stay off the field than our administration should hire outside security to make sure people don't enter the field.

The only way other fans would rush the field is if they win. If we run out and beat people up or drag someone off the field it make us look like poor losers. Rushing any field makes people look like poor sports...that's why we don't do it to other schools. Also, any idiot corp guy that actually pulls out a sword to protect a grass field is a complete moron. This type of person gives Texas A&M a bad name and they should be permanetly kicked out of the University.
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Then why tear down your own goalposts and shove them into an opposing fan section? Great reaction to just a "college sporting event."
ags2002
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el matador, then don't rush the field if its just a sporting event.

Most Ags probably aren't going to kick your a** because they are protecting our sacred ground, they will kick your a** because you were told not to and you disobeyed, good enough reason for me.
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WOW! matador, there really is a big difference between TTU and Texas A&M isn't there.

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cecil77
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Yeah, and an unruly mob is an unruly mob, too.

At the LaTech game there were the usual police officers stationed about every 5 yard around the field. Additionally there was a line of private security (outside of the police) in front of the south end zone stands.
Wildcat
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el runs from drugged cattle in clown suit:

I will not defend a post game confrontation. Will you defend rushing the field following a game?

"My wife is in hell, where I sent her. She could make good biscuits, but her bahavior was terrible" Po Campo
Ol Jock 99
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Who said anyone pulled their saber? Granted I was a fish at the time, but during the MANY rehashing of this event on the Quad, one of the frequent comments was it was so good no one pulled them out. I just wish Corps block was around then; I was on the top row of 3rd deck and could only watch!
el matador
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I'm not saying that rushing of the field is something that should be allowed. It's dangerous and the school is potentially legally liable. What I'm saying is that the corps should not act like a police force in ANY situation. That's the job of the acutal police. As far as I know, the corps has no training in law enforcment or even crowd control. With the history of those guys overreacting in situations like this, I don't believe THEY should be allowed on the field.
AggieRJM64
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I hope that I am wrong, but unless TAMU administration has hired a lot of police officers, it could turn ugly on Saturday. I have noticed during the last 2 games that we have some Bryan police officers also at Kyle.

Three minutes prior to end of the game, police officers need to circle Kyle field. Maybe our own fish should not get into the field chasing the Yell Leaders, at least for the game against the techies.
aggie93
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To my knowledge no sabre has been drawn at an A&M game since the '81 game with SMU. If a cadet draws a sabre out of their scabbord at a football game they will be expelled from school, no questions asked. I know because I was read the riot act as an OD in '92 and it this point was repeated several times.

The sabre drawing in '57 was not a good thing but it was a whole different world back then. All kinds of things went on in those days that would land people in jail in today's world.
AggDaddy
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My nephew is a junior in the corps and will be seated in corps block on Saturday, all I know is that I would be severly disappointed if he sat idle while tech fans rushed our field. If they are dumb enough to rush our field then they deserve to have their a#%ess beat. That may sound red neck but we don't show thay type of disrespect at other team's fields and we shouldn't allow for that type of disrespect at ours.

Of course I do agree that security should handle it, but if they have broken through security and reached the field or the goal posts then all @#$ should break loose.
el matador
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Unlike most of you, I will have something worth fighting for on Saturday, my 13 year-old girl. If anyone tries to start anything with her around, mom will lead her out of bile field and it'll be ON!
Sterling98
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Has she received her acceptance letter to ittech yet?
ags2002
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el matador, if you just mind your manners NOTHING will happen to you or any member of your family. That's the difference, the Ags, for all the crap technicals have done, will treat you great as long as you are respectful. I can see a drunk techie dumping their bourbon and coke on your daughters head in lubutt if she was wearing an Aggie shirt but don't worry about that happening in Kyle. Even if you spout off, you probably won't get beat down, just don't do anything stupid.
cecil77
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Just to do my job as an old 'Ag and share war stories.

Many of you may be too young to have heard about the '73 Rice game. It was in Houston and the M.O.B. (Marching Owl Band) did a pretty vicious (or funny, depending upon your POV) parody of A&M, the Corps, and traditions. A memorable example was forming a fire hydrant in honor of Reveille. The Ags didn't rush the field but waited for the MOB to leave the stadium before "expressing themselves enmasse". One of the cool things during the resulting melee was ct's and non-reg's switching shirts so that the ct's wouldn't be "in uniform". It was pretty great at the time. Now, as a mature adult, I of course don't condone such things...
CTP93
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I am surprised so many of you really think anything will happen this weekend besides a football game. Seriously.

Unless you are a drunk student running his mounth, I cannot imagine anyone seriously bothering you.

If you are a drunk student running his mouth, what else do you expect?
AgLaw
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Matador,

I don't know what you expect on Saturday, but you, your wife, and your 13 year-old girl will all be safe and welcome at Kyle Field. I suggest you read some of the responses of Va. Tech fans who came down and enjoyed their afternoon with us. The Hokies gave us a little more than we could handle on the field, and their fans acted like victorious football fans are supposed to act - they came to the game, cheered their team on to victory, enjoyed the afternoon, and left the stadium, all without incident. You are telling us that "it's just a game," and you are right. If you will remember this on Saturday, I don't see why you would expect to encounter problems.


[This message has been edited by AgLaw (edited 10/2/2002 4:49p).]
Sterling98
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They expect Ags to act the same way they would. That's why they expect trouble. The only trouble they'll find is the trouble they start.
downinaggieland
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I can't believe that some people think that the Corps should have just stood back and watched. Come on! So what you are saying is I love my school but don't stand up for it.

I heard the announcer say at least three times, out of respect please do not get on the field. How hard is that?

I have to say -- if I had stood there in the stands and watched the Corps stand around while the t-sips rushed the field, I would have been terribly disappointed in them. I don't think they should ever tolerate that kind of disrespect.



AGGIE1996
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Matador,

Just a suggestion. You will be outnumbered 16:1. I wold suggest you leave if the tech fans start some crap. A big piece of advice all tech fans should take. KEEP YOUR PIE HOLES SHUT! As long as you don't start anything... NOTHING will happne. You can bank on it.
Shoeless Joe
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It's our administration's responsibility to hire enough legitimate security to enforce the rules and keep the clowns off the field, especially since the clowns have already gone to great lengths to prove that they are not above pulling that kind of crap.

It's a sad commentary on your school when your opposition always has to load up with extra security every time you come to town.

"Don't disrespect the Bing."
LOYAL AG
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quote:
. With the history of those guys overreacting in situations like this, I don't believe THEY should be allowed on the field.



With the history of the Tech Student Body overreacting in situations like this, I don't believe THEY should be allowed anywhere near an actual game. There have been more problems in the past 10 years in Lubbock than there have been in the entire history of Kyle Field. Even if you include that little incident where a bunch of cadets were on their way to Wacko to level Baylor in the 1920's, the history of the Cadet Corps and Aggies in general has been exemplary, especially in comparison to Raider fan.

Peace without Freedom is Slavery.
David_Puddy
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Personally, I dont think we should even be discussing this topic.

I mean, are they thinking about rushing the field after we deal their asses or what?? Come on guys, lets have confidence in the W for the good guys!
SteveBott
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El Matador:

"What the hell were they protecting! Get a grip folks! It's just a football field at a public institution"

Thousands of fellow Aggies have died in battle to protect your freedom and Kyle field is dedicated to them. More Aggies have paid the ultimate price for your freedom then any other school except the servce accadamies.

That IS worth fighting for.
Aggie99
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First of all, I was there and for some reason everyone remembers it as only CTs on the field doing clean up duty. There were plenty of CTs there that day but there were just as many Non-Regs helping out. Why is it that no one remembers that part of the story? When the melee was said and done with, Aggies in Maroon t-shirts and Aggies in Khaki uniforms linked arm-in-arm around the field to keep others out.
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