To beat Tech regularly and compete with OU and Texas.

1-4 vs Tech
0-4 vs OU
1-3 vs Texas
0 Big XII South titles

And does anyone remember the mood on this board when the last coaching change was made? I remember a rather jubilant group of people...my, how things have changed.

And as bad as it got around here for RC, it was never this bad.

louisville_ag - it was just this bad.

please don't start the 'we made a mistake letting RC go"

it was time for him to go just like its time for fran to go

Louisville

Things were terrible under RC. Look at RC's record in the BIG XII.

I heard a stat that in all of RCs years he had soemthing like 12 losses of 17 or more. In a fraction of that time Fran has had 18. RC never had a losing season. Fran is averaging one every other year. Fran has all of the worse lossses in history to pretty much any team you pick. Ill admit I was too young to know much about the RC era. but I know it couldn't have been worse.

yes

Never should have made the move. Penn State stuck by Joe Pa and look what happened. We had "stars in our eyes" and wanted to "go to another level". Not satisfied with 14 winning seasons in a row, etc. Unfortunately the new level is about four levels below what RC provided! Bring back DEFENSIVE football. Hire TT or Bob Davie. I don't care - just get rid of the Fraud and his crew. Been watching Aggie football since 1963 and this guy has taken all the fun out of it!!

The Emperor has no clothes!

I meant TexAgs was not this bad... although I do think this is worse than it was at the end with RC, even though I agreed it was time to go. The difference is that we had some GREAT times with RC, and with Fran, we've had one measly win over tu.

When are you ****ING PEOPLE going to give this a rest! We made a change because:

SLOCUM WAS NOT GETTING US TO THE NEXT LEVEL!

Everyone with half a brain should have known it would be a gamble. I remember posting on this board (and I was FOR Fran like you were too, whether you admit it or not)that very sentiment. We MIGHT get worse. The next coach might be no better. That is the nature of it. But you decide, at some point, that you are not happy where you are, and want to take a stab at getting to the next level.

Slocum ran roughshod through a weak conference, the SWC, until his "luck" ran out against tu, at Kyle, in 1995. '96 was a disaster (REMEMBER BYU! MOST PASSING YARDS AGAINST AN AGGIE TEAM - EVER), remember SWL! (MOST PENALTIES EVER), remember tu! (54-15!), and so on . He won the south in '97 and was destroyed by NU in the championship game, then got shut out by PSU in the Alamo. Yes, he won a conference championship in '98 (his first since '93, and LAST until he got fired after 2001), but he didn't BUILD on it! His bowl record was terrible. Remember THREE offensive points in two consecutive Cotton Bowls (at least Fran scored a TD against Tennessee!)! In between all that, he was blowing easy games (like to 0-6 Colorado at Kyle Field, still finding time to get his A$$ kicked (51-6/OU, 37-0/NU, etc., etc.), losing hegemony over tech, setting more records (MINUS 36 yards rushing against KSU), compiling unbelievable recruiting blunders (ONE defensive player in 1997 - DID THAT COME BACK TO HAUNT US!), and losing ground to Stoops and Brown.

Yes, we would love to have one of his 8-4 seasons and a bowl loss right about now, but SOME of us think we are and WANT better!

GIVE IT A REST!

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Wow.

The next level was Fran you idiot.

We would have avoided all that if we'd shown Slocum 1/10th the loyalty he showed us.

Look at Penn state. 'the game has passed him by', 'he's too old', blah blah.

Good coaches and good men dont suddenly become bad coaches. You stick with a proven coach through a rough patch and you get rewarded 9 out of 10 times.

whose up for stealing Kentuckys coach?

RC was kinda like "Daddy" is at FSU, the game had past him and it was time to make the switch. RC was good for A&M and he was allowed to stay several years too long. I love RC but he had to go. Fran just never got it rolling, but at least RC had balls and was likable....on yeah, the man could bring a defense.

Ball Boy - many of you stupid 'ol army ags are part of the problem. THE 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s are OVER! They play with face masks now! The games you lust for, with final scores like 3-0, 6-3, etc., etc. are GONE! We cannot bring back the 80s style Wrecking Crew! The game has changed! Things that worked in the past do not work now. The spread offense has taken over, and so on. YES, we need a tough defense, but we also need a PASSING GAME! We CANNOT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS with one-dimensional Quarterbacks! OPEN YOUR EYES! Bob Davie is a relic. He has been out of coaching too long. This game is NOT static!

You are part of the problem because you want to return to Slocum's record, but he won ZERO national championships and NEVER WOULD HAVE! Some of us want a MNC! Want the same thing, or get the H*LL out of the way!

[This message has been edited by SAR Ag (edited 10/13/2007 9:32p).]

Baron - you're the idiot. Anyone with HALF a brain (me included) knew Fran was a gamble. How in the H*LL does anyone know someone is a given before he is HIRED! Freakin IDIOT!

Loyalty! We kept Slocum FOURTEEN YEARS! Since when is SLOCUM IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS PATERNO! PATERNO HAS A MNC!

sar ag-

i remember 77-0. i remember iowa state at kyle.

i remember not going to bowls - and when we did getting PASTED by tennessee and cal.

i remember losing to baylor. i remember baylor taking us to OT at kyle. i remember beating baylor by 7 pts.

i wish i could forget but i cant.

I remember 77-0 too. I remember Tennessee (I was there), and so on. What is your point! I am not defending Fran. FRAN SHOULD GO!

Some Moron poster failed to understand why we made a coaching change when we all should have CLEARLY PREDICTED 77-0, TENNESSEE, ETC., ETC.!

The same reasons we made a coaching change, ostensibly, to beat tt, OU, tu, and win Big 12 championships continue to be the same reasons we need to make a coaching change after this season is over!

But let's see now, how do we guarantee that the new guy will not repeat the same mistakes? Hmm. How do we guarantee that! But some of you morons are blaming us for that very thing at the end of 2002!

Fran was one of the hottest prospects in the nation. Why wouldn't we have gone after him! He won at NM, TCU, and AL. But in the end, as unlikely as it may have seemed, he was a gamble. And guess what - the NEXT coach will be a gamble TOO!

Nice posts SAR.

So you're defending the Fran hire. Yet dismissing the wisdom of keeping a proven coach?

Time to put down the hooch pal.

I agree with SAR.

And as for Paterno...keeping him has set Penn State back. They used to be one of THE Big 10 teams to beat...and now they are just one of the OTHER Big 10 teams. They've had a good season here and there, but nothing consistent.

RC had a good run, it was time for a change. Fran has had a bad run, IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE.

BB PULL THE TRIGGER!!!

NOW, NOT AFTER 1 OR 2 OR 5 MORE GAMES!!!

It is over, pull the plug.....

SAR is the most sane poster that I have ever read on this site. And yes...Baron is the biggest idiot. RC got plenty of loyalty from us.

Baron - Yes, I am defending the Fran hire AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE. No one could have predicted how he would screw things up. Since you refer to a proven record, remember Fran had a VERY proven record at the end of 2001. Your logic is breathtakingly screwed up!

Are you really that stupid to be BLAMING me and just about every other Aggie on this board because we couldn't predict how Fran would turn out?

Slocum had a proven record? He proved he could NOT consistently compete with OU, tu, bowl games, and so on. SOME OF US WANTED BETTER! People need to stop dredging up Slocum's cumulative record as proof he should never have been let go. Much of it was compiled EARLY - against SWC patsies. But in his last three seasons, he was FAILING to compete at the highest levels. Does anyone honestly believe he was going to pull one out of his a$$ and start out-recruiting Stoops and Mac4? And since tech is so fresh on everyone's mind, remember who lost the grip on that series - Slocum.

FRAN SHOULD GO.

I agree with SAR Ag on everything he says except that we can't go back to old WC-style defense. R.C.'s defense stopped Cougar High's "Run and Shoot" with some special tweaks. Someone like Pelini could give us an aggressive defense similar to what we had.

William C. G.

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death....I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." Bill Shankly

"Basketball is the new football." William C. G.

For what it's worth, I agree with SAR too. Anytime you hire a new coach, no matter how proven it is a gamble. Our next hire will be no different.

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Puxxssy's like TCU.

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Puxxssy's like Texas?

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Puxxssy's like Texas Tech?

Forgot the smiley face on the last post... Sorry.

SAR Ag's right. RC was the right guy to take over from Sherrill and he did well... for a while. He did well in a declining SWC against Spike and early Mac editions, but the program was sliding. Fran might have done much better in the same situation.

It was getting pretty bad with RC. Does anyone remember getting beat by U La La (SW La State U at the time)? This is like getting beat by UNT. Of course, I remember a game against UNT at Texas Stadium where they seemed a lot better prepared, with a better game plan, and more motivation. They simply lacked the players, size, and speed, which eventually helped us prevail, despite being outcoached (IMO). To me, that was a turning point. I thought UNT had a better coach (who was eventually fired), if not better talent.

When we went after Fran, I thought it was a great move. He won at every level. He put New Mexico in a bowl for gosh sakes. He took TCU from near futility (much worse than Baylor) to beating USC soundly (this was before LT). He then takes a faltering, flailing, and failing Bama program and returns it to competitiveness overnight. A friend, who won a national championship playing Fran at Pittsburgh State, had nothing but praise for the man.

I wanted this guy. Everyone wanted this guy. Everyone. This was like the Sherrill hire. While SAR might have had reservations, I had none. It was the right move.

Uh, well, maybe it wasn't. At least, in hindsight, maybe it wasn't. However, it seemed a coup by everyone at the time the hire was made.

It was (past) time for RC to step down. Fran looked like a sure bet. I'm sure the situation he inherited was worse than we can imagine. However, at his level and his compensation, he needs to perform. He's had a reasonable time to produce and has not.

From my lazy boy, I think it's time to move on. Of course, I get paid $0 to pontificate from my lazy boy. Dollar Bill gets more and I trust, knows more. His moves in other sports have earned him the benefit of the doubt. Let's give him a chance to make the right decisions.

Of course, I endured the Tom Wilson years and consider virtually anyone better than him (yes, I have low standards). Under Wilson, beating Baylor was an upset.

For those supporting the smug, self-righteous corpse, Joe Pa, I've got a couple of questions...

Do you think he's really the coach and not a figurehead prop with daily embalment ejections in a vain attempt to outlast Bowden to claim the most wins of all time?

Also, do you remember his rather smug, arrogant, self-righteous attacks on our program during the Sherrill and Slocum years (related, of course, to his inability to keep up with in-state rival Sherrill when he coached at Pitt)?

While Joe Pa likes to play saint, there's plenty of sinning in Happy Valley. Sorry, but this is a pet peeve. I don't like the sanctimonious corpse. Hold up other examples, not Joe Pa.

Oh, and does it seem odd that the savior of Alabama struggles in the Big XII and the middle of the road coach from Okie Lite is now one of the best coaches in the might SEC? Could it be that it's easier to win in the SEC than the Big XII? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Oh, and does it seem odd that the savior of Alabama struggles in the Big XII and the middle of the road coach from Okie Lite is now one of the best coaches in the might SEC? Could it be that it's easier to win in the SEC than the Big XII? Inquiring minds want to know.

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I've often wondered this myself. I know that many think that the SEC is the power conference, but there were also so many that expected Les to fall flat at L$U. I just don't quite get it.

Man ... do we have to revisit this every time Fran stubs his toe?

RC was fired because the program was in disarray. Recruiting had dived for nearly 3 yrs and it was clear that RC was in a tailslide in many, many ways.

Firing RC was the right thing to do. Hiring a replacement has no immediate guarantee of success. That doesn't mean the firing wasn't the right thing to do. tu, as a notable example, floundered before finding Brown. Bama went through a coach after Fran. It's not an Aggie phenomena ...

it was time for a change.

But we were NEVER as bad under RC as we have been under Fran.