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flyboy72
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Dear Texas Aggies of all ages,

My introduction to viewing Texas A&M football began on Thanksgiving Day, 1963. I watched t.u. and the refs steal our victory. Even the Aggieland recorded the score as A&M 13, t.u. 9, referees 6. So, my history of watching A&M football goes way back, over 48 years.

I graduated in December 1972, in the Class of '72. I suffered through the 1970 season when A&M was outscored by every SWC team, including Rice. I joined and served in the Corps of Cadets during a time in America when the military, its traditions and honor, were under attack by society. Needless to say, being a student at A&M and in the Corps of Cadets from 1968-1972 was often a challenge.

When Gene stallings was fired, I accompanied several of my senior classmates to his home and personally thanked him for being "our coach," even though we were often outscored during his tenure. We may not have had the best talent or gameplans but the team always, always gave the game their best. I remember seeing bloodied and dirtied players still fighting for the Ags well after there was any hope of overcoming the score.

Fast-forward to today's A&M football program. To put my views bluntly, I am disgusted, absolutely disgusted. The team has plenty of talent (and I mean PLENTY) but obviously lacks discipline and heart. The silly and dumb penalties today reflect that lack. What disciplined player pushes an opponent while out of bounds, right in front of a referee? Who, except an undisciplined player, cannot be onsides on a kickoff? Need I say more? Coach Sherman is not the man.

I spoke with Bill Byrne at an Aggie function last year. He had made a presentation to the group and I wanted to ask about one of his remarks in particular. (Please note that the following is not a personal attack against Mr. Byrne. Rather what I am about to relate is a record of our conversation and perhaps may show an insight to our current problems.)

During his remarks to the group, Mr. Byrne mentioned over and over again how A&M had "lost" this game or that, in this sport or another. Having been taught that A&M is "undefeated" (but occasionally outscored) I took exception to Mr. Byrne's remarks. I gently asked him about using the word "outscored" instead of "loss," especially when addressing a group of older graduates, and he remarked words to the effect that, "I never really bought into that stuff." At that moment I knew we had a problem. I quickly and politely ended my conversation with Mr. Byrne and he moved on to talk with others at the gathering. Bill Byrne is certainly not the man.

President Loftin's 18 month-old plan to move A&M into the SEC reeks of complete and utter insanity. A&M football, its traditions and especially the A&M military traditions, will be the laughing stock of the "party schools" of the SEC. We will be perennially regarded as one of the doormat games of the SEC. We will become the Baylor of the SEC. And for what? The termination of our t.u. game? A few extra dollars? To be able to say we took our ball and went home just because t.u. was smarter and got their own network? That Aggies aren't smart enough to form our own network? For what, then? President Loftin is not the man.

So, what is this old Aggie's point? Texas A&M used to be different, especially on the football field. We played with grit, determination, discipline and courage. The Aggie student body never left the stands early. Why? We knew the team had given the game their all. Today, such is not the case. We have transitioned to a "big time" program with the appearance of our traditions intact when in fact the traditions of A&M football are dead and buried. Money is all that matters and its influence on A&M football and the school itself is blatantly obvious.

I never, never thought I would write words such as these. My father graduated in 1941 and was in the first wave of forces to invade Leyte and Okinawa in WWII. Needless to say, there was never a question in our household where I would go to college. I was proud of my school, my Aggie ring and my diploma. I served 28 years as an Air Force pilot. I have watched Aggie football as long as I can remember. But today, after the showing on the field (and my heart breaks for our players!), I've come to the conclusion that I'll wish the team well and hope they are never outscored again. I hope the team wins it all every year. Call me, though, when the team, the coaches, and the administration come back to the traditions that made A&M great, regardless of won/loss record or money.

flyboy72
EconAg05
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AgResearch
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[This message has been edited by AgResearch (edited 9/24/2011 8:40p).]
jphcbpa
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what is a texas aggie?
JarHead17
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So, you are going to lambast the current students for walking out on the team, and then announce to the world that you are quitting on the entire university? Pot, meet kettle.



HeyMoe
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Username: flyboy72
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Account Created: 9/24/2011 8:25:52 PM


Don't let the door hit you in the ass.



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...."and it's Goodbye to A&M........"
Lateralus Ag
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I think the OP said what a lot of us that have been around this program for many years were thinking. And I agree.
Cant Think of a Name
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You kids get off my lawn...

Or else i'll shake my fist harder!
Nolan915
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As a sip who knows lots about aggie football and traditions, the OP is exactly the sentiment I thought most Aggies would have regarding the move to the SEC.

It's your right to move, I just don't get it.

aTm will have their own network soon in the SEC, other schools in the SEC will have their own networks. Your still going to compete against the LHN for Texas H.S. players.

The SEC does offer a "chance" for greatness. Question is what odds do you put on that chance. It has to start at or below 50%. I would say 25% chance for Aggie greatness in the next 10 years in the SEC.

25% is not good odds. aTm's chance for greatness is greater by staying in the Big 12. I would put the odds at 35% to 40% in the Big 12.

Just my opinion, It's your call.
Smilin Jack Ross
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This. Is. Too. Funny.
DTX_12
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Don't care didn't read

Post count +1!!!!
Nonregdrummer09
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quote:
Just my opinion, It's your call.


I'm getting so tired of this ****. This move is not about football glory, and your analysis of comparing the LHN to other SEC school's tier three stuff is not even close. Texas A&M doesn't wish to be tied to every decision that the sips want to make. If that bothers you, sorry, but we refuse. It was the sips that decided that most of the Big 12 South was going to go to the PAC, and A&M refused because it's not what we wanted. If we stay, we're forever tied to the fate of the sips and the LHN, where in the SEC it would not remotely be close to that type of situation.

It's more than wins and losses. It's more than dollars even, it's about a good situation for Texas A&M University. It's not in the Big 12.
Bitter Old Man
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Didnt read, but this seems like my kind of guy
Nolan915
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Nonregdrummer09,

Ok, I get that you guys did not want to go to the PAC with us.

But what other decisions is t.u. making for you. aTm voted with Texas is most every Big12 vote. Our interest happen to align more often than not.

I will say there are some things about the LHN that you guys should have some problems with. You could find some allies in the Big12 for that.

It seems emotions are playing a part in your decision to leave the Big12. (if the Big12 does not break up.)
Ed Carter
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tried to read this. . .then died of old age
dln1957
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Class of '79 here - so not that far behind the OP. Most of your post people can either agree or disagree with. However, you are definitely old school if you think Bill Byrne is not the answer. A&M has never been more competitive across the board!! I too am disgusted with today's second half performance, but don't even bring Byrne into the discussion.......
coupland boy
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We lost today's game. I am pissed about that and the penalties, some of which I do think are indicative of a lack of discipline, and someone needs to be running their butts off on Monday.

Beyond that, no single game or even the result of this entire season should change our mind about the SEC.
ILuvAgLand
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Good bull

new army should be ashamed
matureag
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OP has it dead on. I am class of 1962, 10 years before him....and I feel his pain, realizing that I will likely never see a consistent winning football program at Texas A&M
AustinAg84
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Bill Byrne is doing great things for A&M athletics. We are across-the-board a better athletic program. And as far as the new army goes, you guys were awesome yesterday! You should be proud of the way you contributed to the game. Some of you may have left before the end, but you made much more noise and impact than us old Ags. Keep it up. I don't care how many wins we have year to year, Texas A&M is on my diploma and Texas A&M is my university. It is a great University.
Sublette County
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I'm not a huge Bill Byrne fan, but your statement to him and subsequent reaction to his response told me all I need to know about you. Good riddance, buddy.
ChemEAg08
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I'll paraphrase:

Old Army has gone to hell
Snowball
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buzzardb267
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Class of '67, graduated in '68(thanks calculus). We won 3 games in my first two years, total. I was dumb enough to be able to hang around to see the '68 Cotton Bowl. Highlight of my 5 yrs there. I get riled up at every tradition that is lost or hijacked. I don't even like the little dance the yell leaders do now.

Would I go back to the days of mandatory Corps? No. Would I kick out all the Maggies? No. Some change is inevitable and Bill Byrne has done wonders with the over all program. Football....I reserve judgement till this season plays out.

All Old Ags don't necessarily think alike.

"ROGER - OUT"
KyleField07
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too many words... should i be happy or pissed off?
E K Gill
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quote:
what is a texas aggie?

An Aggie from Texas.

DecadePlan
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We speak of traditions but those were built and cultivated in an era of equitable treatment between our rivals and us. We now exist in an era where rivalries are calculated by dollars and general mistrust. Traditions of football years past are gone and it wasn't A&M, or Bowen Loftin, who killed them.

It's time to start over.
Elephant Ghost
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And to cliff note summarize:

We were often outscored with inferior talent back in the 60s.

Now we are outscored this century with better talent. You are mad because the leaders today don't use the word outscored.

You are angry that we are going to the SEC, (not to be outscored), but to be a doormat to party schools that don't exist in the Big 9 conference. That makes you mad.

We dont play with any determination anymore and people leave early; and because of yesterday you hope they do well but you dont want to be reached until we return to our traditions.

If that makes you happy, we will call you if Bonfire returns to campus, after missing it for 10 years. But if you need to put us on the no-call list until then, so be it. Apparently change is so confusing your identity with Texas A&M is lost. Hope you find it.

We were outscored yesterday and who is leaving? And, yes, we will probably get outscored in the SEC, whether we use that word or not, but who has left? Not the ones you claim to be out of touch.
sbag
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I agree flyboy. We are making a HUGE mistake if we end up in the SEC. We can't even win in the Big 12. We MAY have a chance to be competitive in basketball in the SEC, but there's still Kentucky and Florida to deal with.
KatyAg88
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Who says traditions will stop? Changing athletic conferences does not change our traditions. If we do not play tu, it will not be because of us.
AggieIce
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cowards
aCosmicBandito
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Being 'outscored' and 'running out of time' are the most annoying phrases ever to me in regards to Aggie sports. The only tradition that it recalls in my mind is one of losing and one of excuses for it because we continued to play hard even in defeat. I agree we should expect our team and fans to go 100% from start to finish, but I also expect us to win and believe that we can and should!

I love A&M, believe in what it stands for, and will support the university until I die, but change can be a good thing. The acceptance of non regs, minorities, and women changed this university forever for the better. The rapid growth and rise in both athletic and academic prominence in only a few decades is really remarkable when you look at our history. Yes, we should hold onto the values and traditions we hold dear to keep the spirit that makes A&M and Aggies so unique because it is the fabric that makes us who we are, but some traditions are going to go away over time with new ones taking their place and in some cases that's okay. The tradition of being outscored and running out of time hasn't really worked for us since 1939. I, for one, would welcome a change in that area and am ready to drop this mentality that not making it to the mountaintop is okay because we tried hard.

I'm ready for us to DEMAND excellence in sports and education. I'm ready for us to deem it unnaceptable to fall short because I know the drive and desire Aggies have to achieve their goals and the success they have engineered all over the world. I'm ready to stop being 'outscored' and start kicking some ass. I'm ready for us to impose our will and be a team our opponents fear. I want Kyle Field to get back the aura and intimidating presence it once had where opponents knew coming out with a road victory was a mere pipe dream. Most of all, I want to win. I crave it more and more with each heartbreak endured and seasons shattered hopes. I will keep coming back, keep yelling my ass off for my team, and support them through the good and bad, but that doesn't mean I have to like it when someone else takes what I feel should be ours. It's time to take it back.

These aren't impossible dreams. They are attainable goals. Look at the humble beginnings of where we started, admire how far we've come, but let's also keep forging ahead to continue building a new path that Ags past, present, and future can be proud of.

[This message has been edited by Acosmicbandito (edited 9/25/2011 3:33p).]
ArchAggie2010
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EastTexasHog
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looks to me like the Aggie Spirit is alive and well when I see the towels waiving fiercely in the stands....
AceAggie05
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I really can't believe the audacity of some of you. Yeah, this is the internet. Yeah, what does it matter what other people think. Yeah, the OP is older than your dad.

Ever stop to actually understand what he was talking about?

No. You didn't attempt to understand one iota of his post. Instead you badger him, ridicule him, make jokes and poke fun at him.

If you'd ever stop to listen to some of the older Ags, you MIGHT just learn a thing or two. Yeah, sure, some things have improved since he went to school. Some things have gotten worse also. You wouldn't know about that, nor do you seem to care. And I'm sure I will catch MORE flak than him for calling "new army" out directly.

Speaking of "new army" what the hell is that? Sure not anyone I would want to go to war with. And before you say a word, I'm there right now. New army has no spine, no heart, no pride. I remember when those meant something, even to the smallest dorm on campus.

You're going to look at my tag. You're going to see '05, and premium. And you're going to ridicule me. You're going to say "who the hell do you think you are?" Well, I was there, 10 years ago, when traditions began to crumble. I was there, when the administration turned on the student body, caring more about money, than about everything that made Texas A&M the most special school in the country. I was there, listening to the stories of Ags that got thrown from the bonfire, who lost friends. I knew people on that stack. I knew people who SHOULD have been on that stack, but for whatever reason, had been able to switch shifts for various reasons. You want to talk about pride, and heart? You talk to those old Ags. Again, you might learn a thing or two. You might walk away with a better understanding. You might look back, and wonder how much has really changed.

But you won't do that. You're too arrogant. You'll sit back, and chastise anyone who had it different than you from behind a computer screen, without understanding for one second, how it really was.

Now, if you've actually made it this far. Here is my point. Try to understand where the old Ags come from. Learn from them. At least listen to what they say, and move on. I dare you.
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