SEC appears to have screwed us. We can't sue anyone because there is no one that is keeping us from doing anything.

It is the SEC that is preventing us from going SEC by their condition.

All Baylor is doing is reserving their rights to do something anyone can do- sue if they believe someone breached a legal duty to them. They have no duty or obligation to waive anything.

If I were BU, I'd just sit back and do nothing and say nothing. The SEC has already done their heavy lifting for them by telling the Ags you can't come to SEC unless Baylor and the other little guys say you can.

Strongly disagree.

I've been away for several hours, have I missed a Texags ethnic cleansing?

i think the sec is waiting to see what ou does. the question is, what will the sec do if ou decides to do nothing, and the big 12 does not proceed with adding new members...

Just because we haven't heard anything all day doesn't mean that things aren't in motion.

Yeah, Analogy, some threads deleted. I was in the process of posting when some disappeared. Not sure why.

If the T Boone Pickens interview is to be believed, his comments make it seem that he thinks the SEC will issue a statement that they will not accept us until all issues are resolved until some point in the future

I agree that it could turn out best if OU goes PAC, but I think OU is going to out-wait the Ags.

They are in no rush and don't want to be seen as blowing up the conference if A&M hasnt left.

I will be SHOCKED if OU makes any PAC announcement before SEC has accepted the Ags unconditionally.

No, the next thing that has to change is the SEC position, because we aint changing the position of Baylor without a legal fight unless the other 8 schools and enormous public opinion are brought to bear on them.

aggiehawg, which ones bit the dust?

hawg- I notice there was one this afternoon that I posted on, hit enter, and then never saw it resurface.

by the way, I noticed that I agree a very high % of times with your legal positions.

once sec confirms that there are no grounds for any lawsuits, they may quickly change their tone.

The SEC cannot take you until you are free and clear from the Big 12. They aren't the rescue squad.

You are going to have to free yourselves from your conference before the SEC can pick you up.

The SEC gave you support the other night by going ahead and voting 12-0 to accept you...and publicizing it....even after the release letter was rescinded. The SEC did not have to do that and could have just postponed the vote and said they were still waiting.

You now have a 12-0 invitation. But you have to get yourselves free and clear yourselves.

It's not the SEC's fault. It's the faults of the poisoned little leechers that reside in the Little 12-2-1. The SEC knows what they're doing. They actually know how to run a conference.

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They clearly already know what the grounds for Baylor's lawsuit would be. And apparently don't like what discovery might reveal. That's why they want waivers.

Go indy for a year, and try to schedule as many SEC opponents as possible for 2012! In 2013, join the SEC as a non-aligned school.

KNOW THIS: even my students in Boston are pulling for y'all in all of this. Hope that you go undefeated in the Whorn10 conf.

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It's not the SEC's fault. It's the faults of the poisoned little leechers that reside in the Little 12-2-1. The SEC knows what they're doing. They actually know how to run a conference.

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Honestly, I was shocked that the SEC went ahead and voted after the letter was rescinded.

That was just an emotional support vote for A&M and that is not generally how the SEC operates.

I would have expected them to not vote and instead just say that they were still waiting.

By voting in support of A&M, they now put themselves in a situation where A&M could embarrass them...that is unusual for the SEC.

I know that this isn't the popular option, but aren't we free and clear regardless if we wait unil 2013? I know the SEC would have rather us come with another team in 2013, and I'm pretty sure we can legally leave with the expected 2 years notice for 2013 with no chance of legal ramifications. Can't we? Im all for leaving this dreadful conference next year, and maybe that still happens, maybe it doesn't. But if it doesn't, we can just hang 70 on Failor the next two years and part ways with them. That would require no money settlement and no stupid contract for a home and home to please the Davidians.

the SEC does deserve some blame. They have imposed a condition that can never be met. Baylor is never going to waive their right. End of story.

A&M's next best option is to go independent after June 2012. There will be some major pains, but the Ags have to get out of the conference. Must at least accomplish that this go-around

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The SEC cannot take you until you are free and clear from the Big 12. They aren't the rescue squad.

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I think you missed the point completely.....

what they define as free and clear is not within A&M's control. A&M already has the power and the conference authority to leave the Big 12- it did all it has to do. What's left is an SEC-imposed condition that basically says Baylor has to agree not to sue you.

You think Baylor is going to give us that?

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They clearly already know what the grounds for Baylor's lawsuit would be. And apparently don't like what discovery might reveal.

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That's just incorrect. It isn't about them revealing anything, it's just the simple fact of possibly having to go through it.

The problem is that A&M going to to the SEC starts the instability of the BCS. All conferences will then have to start moving towards 16 teams and that means bye bye to all little schools. It's possible that right now, the SEC doesn't have the three other schools they really want. They need more time

OU, TU, Tech, and OSU are the best the PAC can get. It's also a package deal. Therefore, it might be worth it for the PAC to make the first move and take on Sue Starr.

It's in the SEC's best interest to wait for the PAC/OU to make the first move.

If OU stays put that means the Big12 is stable and A&M should be able to go. If OU leaves with the other three, who knows what Baylor will do. They may hold their position in regards to the SEC and Mike Slive and try taking everyone to federal court.

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There's no place I'd rather be than the SEC, but it appears we should probably shop around.

I think there's truth in both Winston's and Beere's position.

I also think that is coupled with the SEC's belief that a 13 team schedule is a hassle for 2012, and they would like more time to pick a 14th team, and maybe 15th and 16th.

I think they just sat back and said "screw it- we don't need the hassle. but let's throw Aggieland a bone by voting them in, then we'll put a condition out there that will almost guarantee they wont be able to come in time for 2012."

Hope I'm wrong, but I dont think so.

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Really? You don't think there's a chance that through email, telephone call, letter, smoke signal or dinner conversation Slive might have mentioned to an A&M representative that the SEC would really like to make another run at the Ags?

then take it to court. our evidence will point to what really has caused us to leave. would love to get the emails from Deloss and Bebee.

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Really? You don't think there's a chance that through email, telephone call, letter, smoke signal or dinner conversation Slive might have mentioned to an A&M representative that the SEC would really like to make another run at the Ags?

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if loftin made the initial contact none of that matters. besides it's all frivolous, and it won't keep us from leaving.

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Even if they did that stuff, it's not at all clear that it would be tortious interference. A&M clearly had an "out" clause in the Big 12. There was nothing binding A&M to stay in the Big 12, and all parties and the t.v. execs knew that.

Discussing joining SEC does not necessarily "interfere" with the contract.

But there would be a LOT of embarassing stuff revealed through discovery- and the fact that it would be overseen by Ken Starr adds to the fear- he would know everything about everything about digging for info.

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I think you missed the point completely.....

what they define as free and clear is not within A&M's control. A&M already has the power and the conference authority to leave the Big 12- it did all it has to do. What's left is an SEC-imposed condition that basically says Baylor has to agree not to sue you.

You think Baylor is going to give us that?

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You are going to have to announce that you are leaving your conference unconditionally....with no "if we get an invitation" language.

When you do that then you are gone and Baylor gets NOTHING out of withholding their waiver. Combined with the threat of permanent war with the 7th largest alumni base in the country...they have no reason to continue their tantrum.

Right now they think they can hold you in the Big 12 with this tactic.

Baylor has nothing, winston. The SEC isn't scared of dirt being brought up.

ark 30- it has nothing to do with "leaving unconditionally". Not sure where you are getting that.

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They clearly already know what the grounds for Baylor's lawsuit would be. And apparently don't like what discovery might reveal. That's why they want waivers.

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That's possible but what makes you think that the SEC whats to be tied up in Federal Court in Waco Texas with a Baylor grad for a judge.

That's most likely the SEC's concern.

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You are going to have to announce that you are leaving your conference unconditionally....with no "if we get an invitation" language.

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What? It's not that easy or it would have been a done deal already.

sorry to say it but analogy is correct from a bu perspective.

Baylor has more than a conference problem...they encumbered the school based on the tv revenues from the new contract. If the tv contract goes away because of the A&M move, they will be in default for millions. Make no mistake, it is always driven by money. They are not suing....only reserving their right to sue. If the conference survives, and the tv money flow continues, there is not a problem. As for the SEC, they cannot guarantee the survival of the Big XII, and so they are subjected to potential litigation. No matter how baseless, you can never predict the outcome of a lawsuit. Wait and see is a better approach for the SEC at this time.