If things go as they should, this year will be the last of the home and home series between us. It's all about revenue, but what isn't nowadays. Revenues will be minimum, approx 4 million per year per team. If we get a title sponsor it will be 5 million per year per team. That will be approx 6 million more every two years than you would normally get (you don't earn anything for road games in the conference).

This will upset some ticket holders as they paid good money to get prime seats for the marquee games of which Tech is the one (since UT is on the opposite schedule). But we need to look at what's good for the programs as a whole.

The added 12th game to our yearly schedule means ticket holders will get the same amount of home games as before. So in essence the athletic department doesn't owe you anything. The athletic department can't ask more money from ticket holders as they are maxed out. So this would add revenue without much effort.

In addition there are a bunch of fans with money that can't get good seats to the home games since they are sold out. This enables the other fans to get to see the team, and get decent seats.

UT/OU are ahead of the game. They already have this in place. UT is blowing away the conference in revenue made from football. This ia an effortless and big way to increase the budget.

Also, we are losing the recruiting wars very decisevely to UT. The exposure of Dallas will help immensely. Most of the nation doesn't know how good our games have been. If I remember correctly the 2002 game in Kyle wasn't even televised and that was the best game of all ages. The game in Lubbock the year after had to be moved to a 9pm start, to get TV playing time.

Let's face it Lubbock and College Station aren't media meccas. The move to Dallas will dramatically increase exposure.

This will upset the merchants in the respective cities and season ticket holders. However if they are true fans they will accept the move, knowing it is the way to better our programs.

If after 4 years it is not the same, then we go back to home and home.

To sum up
Reasons for the move:
1. Money - 20M total over 4 years (12M more than you now get.
2. Exposure - National recruiting and school visibility
3. Accomodate the other fans unable to see home games.
4. A new fun experience with fans on both sides of the stadium.
5. No more blowouts. Those hurt your program, immensely and take away from our games. Lubbock has a psychologic effect on your team. Neutral site won't.

Reasons against the move.
1. Selfish business owners in the respective communities.
2. Selfish season ticket holders who think the world revolves around them.

Basically the athletic programs are not asking for you to like the move. Just asking you to accept it.

Cheers!


[This message has been edited by TTUmatador (edited 9/27/2006 12:09a).]

See you in Dallas next year

And in College Station the year after!

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Selfish season ticket holders who think the world revolves around them.

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That's because it does revolve around them.

Tell a guy who shells out $1,000 each year or more for the simple *privilege* of buying a season ticket that he's selfish and that he should be happy with a watered down schedule.

You can start with me.

good post.

however,

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If things go as they should, this year will be the last of the home and home series between us. It's all about revenue, but what isn't nowadays. Revenues will be minimum, approx 4 million per year per team. If we get a title sponsor it will be 5 million per year per team. That will be approx 6 million more every two years than you would normally get (you don't earn anything for road games in the conference).

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i am still against the move because it will help tech much more than it will help us. games against tech at kyle get over 80K fans, and over $4 mil. i dont know how much tech makes from a game in lubbock, but it has to be less.

spliting the revenue evenly from a dallas game would be just giving money to tech at our expense.

i would be much happier with a game in dallas or houston against lsu.

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Let's face it Lubbock and College Station aren't media meccas.

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Perhaps not as cities, but a filled up, fired up Kyle Field when the Ags are playing well has no trouble drawing anyone on the national sports scene.

We overstate much in Aggieland, no doubt. But we do NOT overstate the unique atmosphere of gameday in Kyle Field against a traditional rival. Even Herbstreit loves it!

It's all about revenue to tceh which is why everything you have has a sponsor on it. At A&M we don't have to compromise and maintain enough revenue.

I am against the move to Dallas. tceh is not our biggest rival and this game positions itself like it is.

And being from Dallas this would make the game easier to watch. But I would rather not have to deal with the influx of tceh alum around here. I could do without the beer bottles being thrown at aggie supporters for walking down the street.

Agdotcom. The program is bigger than any one season ticket holder, player or coach. The season ticket holder will still get the normal amount of home games. It will be just minus a good one. You will still get the OU, Baylor and other great conference games at home.

To accomodate the season ticket holder, he will have priority in the new Dallas game. That should make you happy unless you have some hidden agenda.

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To sum up
Reasons for the move:
1. Money - 20M total over 4 years (12M more than you now get.
2. Exposure - National recruiting and school visibility
3. Accomodate the other fans unable to see home games.
4. A new fun experience with fans on both sides of the stadium.
5. No more blowouts. Those hurt your program, immensely and take away from our games. Lubbock has a psychologic effect on your team. Neutral site won't.

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1. We don't need that.
2. Don't need that either...only thing holding back our recruiting has been the lack of wins.
3. Our fans travel well...it's not a huge issue for us.
4. Hardly a fun experience when dealing with tech fans
5. Well seeing as how y'all have only won twice at Kyle Field since 1990, I believe it goes both ways. Lubbock doesn't effect our team...it's our mediocre teams since 1999 that have effected things.

There is NO up-side to us taking a neutral-site game with tech. It's going to look like a cheap copy of the Red River Shootout.

Why don't they go bother TCU or UTEP...anybody but us. They aren't worth the effort. Why would we want to showcase this game? They are not LSU, Arkansas, or Oklahoma.

[This message has been edited by Gigem314 (edited 9/27/2006 12:29a).]

GAC. The issue is that it will help both. The Red River shootout favors UT more than OU, but that isn't handled differently.

Although Tech doesn't make the 4M that A&M does, A&M will benefit more in exposure. The fanmanship you present, in addition to presenting your school's assets, will go a long ways more than Tech.

If you can get another team like LSU to go in with you than more power to you. Tech would have to do the same if it wants to keep up. The issue with a school like LSU is would it be beneficial to them. Does LSU or another school want to schedule a difficult non-conference game when the conference schedule is difficult enough. Also would you want to do that? Then the issue is it possible to make it last long term, which is what the athletic programs are after.

absolutely DP, the atmoshphere at Kyle is unrivaled. I'm just talking about access to both cities. To get to CS you have to fly into Houston, then find a way to get to CS. Not a great obstacle yet still cumbersome. Dallas is Dallas. The city is a media mecca by itself.

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Also, we are losing the recruiting wars very decisevely to UT. The exposure of Dallas will help immensely.

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By "we" I hope you're talking about just your own school. Don't even try to put us in the same mix as you guys.

The Ags have been losing in recruiting wars to t.u. because they've racked up at least 9 wins since Mack Brown arrived. We on the other hand haven't won that many games since Mack's first season in 1998. It's as simple as that. We just need to win to get the top tier recruits. Even in the midst of our poor runs recently we've been able to recruit players like Martellus Bennett, Stephen McGee, and Michael Goodson - the #1 running back in the State coming out of high school. We also just received a verbal from a kid they say is the fastest player in the State.

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A&M will benefit more in exposure.

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We don't need exposure. Maybe tech does...but we don't. Once again, our biggest problem is not winning. We have the money, the facilities, and the talent.

We may not have quite as much talent as t.u. or OU at the moment..but we're certainly not hurting. It all comes down to wins. That's what we need to get more exposure. Not playing a game in Dallas, taking away from a Big 12 match-up at Kyle Field every other year. I don't like it...and hope that our people have the sense to say no and find some other way for us to get revenue.

[This message has been edited by Gigem314 (edited 9/27/2006 12:56a).]

Shouldn't you have run out of your daily allotment of posts already TTUmatador?

I found this posted on another thread:

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Recruiting national rankings by rivals:

2005
Aggies - 8
tt - 37

2004
Aggies - 13
tt - 33

2003
Aggies - 10
tt - 44

2002
Aggies - 23
tt - 48

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Whoever says that A&M needs to play tech in Dallas for exposure simply doesn't know the facts. We're bringing in the recruits...and we'd be doing even better if we were contending for a Big 12 title.

We don't need exposure...we need wins.

We need winning, not gimmicks. This is a bad move if it happens.

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Revenues will be minimum, approx 4 million per year per team. If we get a title sponsor it will be 5 million per year per team.

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Where do people come out with these made up numbers??

What do you think is the biggest bowl game outside of the BCS? Maybe the Peach Bowl? They just raised their payout from $2.4 million to $3.25 million per team.
www.11alive.com/money/money_article.aspx?storyid=73885

And the Peach Bowl has something pretty tangible it can sell... its TV rights! Plus they can sell their name (which they did to boost that number), plus they force the schools to buy ticket allotments at inflated prices.

But you think a regular season game between two conference teams, with no TV rights, dramatically reduced sponsorship value, and a reverse on the ticket deal can guarantee more to its participants than all the non-BCS bowls in payout??

No point in even getting to all the reasons it's a bad idea to move this game off campuses, because the premise you use to rationalize it is pure fantasy.

The biggest outside of the BCS used to be the Citrus Bowl (I think that now it's the Capital One Bowl) followed by the Cotton Bowl. I don't know what they're paying these days but I think it's not $5M Regardless, the point you make seems very valid to me. It doesn't make sense that doing this would payout comparably to the biggest non BCS bowls.

Citrus (Cap One) Bowl, $5.3 million
www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2005-12-29-capital-one-bowl-preview_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA

Cotton Bowl, $3 million per
www.sbccottonbowl.com/about/quick_facts.php

So good call, Citrus/Peach/Cotton are probably the highest non-BCS. But the point, of course, is that all of these Bowls control their own TV rights. A regular season contest played in Dallas would have exactly zero dollars contributed to the coffers by TV. Throw in the greatly diminished value to any corporate sponsor and there is no way a guarantee for selling our home games to the highest bidder approaches these bowls.

We need to make sure BB hears this VERY CLEARLY from Aggies.

Accepting tech's offer would be a big mistake.

It's going to look like a cheap copy of the Red River Shootout.

exactly

and im sorry but like others have said A&M does NOT need this. it helps Tech more than A&M. if they are going to go to a neutral site, do it in San Antonio (i know, the Alamo Bowl sucks) and create a new thing. Not a wanna-be tu/OU weekend.

A&M wont play TCU in home an homes specifically to NOT give them the extra exposure. Why would we do that for a team in (as you said) a weak media market AND conference rival?

also, if you want to bring in market size, Lubbock's is 146 while Waco/Temple/Bryan/College Station is 94. (and dont whine that ours combines cities b/c thats the way its done. too bad so sad.)

one more reason to not do it is who the hell wants to get stuck with ABC screwing us with 11am kickoffs for yet another game?

His numbers come from the projections I've seen in the Dallas papers.

I disagree with a couple points made by our torreador friend:

1. Not sure how he figures the "other" Aggie fans will get to see the team. We'll only get about 35,000 tickets. That will be eaten up by the season-ticket holders and students.

2. There is no "mystique" about Jones stadium- up until our D sucked the last three years, we've either won handily or lost close in Lubbock in the last twenty years. Sure, you have a home-field advantage there- but let's not get carried away.

COLLEGE STATION, Texas- The television networks have selected Big 12 football games for Saturday, Oct. 7.

The Texas A&M at Kansas football game will be televised by FSN on a regional basis with kick scheduled for 11 a.m. central.

like i said, this would happen with Tech if they got a TV deal which i doubt would be anything close to the worth of tu/OU if we could get it b/c sad to say its rare when both Tech and A&M are ranked highly. not so much for those other two teams.

As our Great and Capable President said recently he thought college sports should be played on teams' campuses. I support him in this approach. Thank you Dr. Gates,President Of Texas A&M. gig'em

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The athletic department can't ask more money from ticket holders as they are maxed out.

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That almost sounds like a challenge to BB...

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Exactly. Tech needs the extra money way more than we do. I don't see the point in helping them out.

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i am still against the move because it will help tech much more than it will help us. games against tech at kyle get over 80K fans, and over $4 mil. i dont know how much tech makes from a game in lubbock, but it has to be less.

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But in Lubbock, they make more hotel revenue because it is out in the middle of nowhere and you can't drive in and drive out...

This is a bad move. Look how much Texas and OU are considering going back to the campuses...


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tech should move their home game to Dallas (like Army to SA)

AGS can keep their home game in Kyle

I agree with AgDotCom above...how many more sheet games can be put on our home schedule with season ticket holders agreeing to pay big bucks for the privledge of buying tickts??

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2. Selfish season ticket holders who think the world revolves around them.

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EAT IT. It takes a lot of commitment to buy season tickets, not just fiscally. You try driving 3 hours every weekend for games and see much you'll fight to keep 'em.

I wish we could move Texas Tech into the WAC or Mountain West. Can we have TCU, Houston, LSU, Iowa or Arkansas in their place?

I EFFING HATE TEXAS TECH!

DPG2006
Fightin' Texas Aggie
Class of 2006

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The added 12th game to our yearly schedule means ticket holders will get the same amount of home games as before.

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Yeah, but that home game will be with ULALA or something like it.

Last of the Old Army<BR>

I keep hearing about this money and I to wonder where it's gonna come from:

A title sponser isn't the magic source of all this extra cash. They just don't pay THAT much. Nokia, in 2000, payed 1 million per year to sponser the Sugar Bowl, a big time BSC bowl with alot of history. I just don't think that our game with Tech is gonna match, let alone out earn a major BSC Bowl.

It can't come from TV because this is a conference deal and by contract this game, whether played home and home or in Dallas or New York or Moscow would fall under the existing Big-12 TV deal.

That leaves tickets, and to generate the kind of money they're talking about, it seems to me that they are looking to the fans to shell out hundreds and hundreds of dollars in extra donations for the right to purchase these tickets. I think that's what OU and Texas do. Their game is NOT part of the season ticket package. You purchase those tickets, with your required donation and you have the option, with an extra dontation of money (not a small amout either), of purchasing the RRS game tickets seperately. My guess is that what they are looking at here.

The money they are seeking isn't from TV or some mega corporation by out of OUR pocketbooks.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." The words of Jesus; John 16:33

techards will die Saturday.

Death to the classless clowns!!!!!