CU Thoughts On Texas Joining The PAC

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SEC is a no go. Could the PAC door also be shut?
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There's now 5 conferences with former neighbors of the esteemed Longhorns:

SEC (us, Arkansas)
PAC (Colorado)
B1G (Nebraska)
American (Houston, SMU)
CUSA (Rice)

And of course the current Big 12 inmates. There's a whole lot of history out there for teams to discuss what kind of business partner they are. Seems like lots of skeletons in lots of closets...

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Decay said:

There's now 5 conferences with former neighbors of the esteemed Longhorns:

SEC (us, Arkansas)
PAC (Colorado)
B1G (Nebraska)
American (Houston, SMU)
CUSA (Rice)

And of course the current Big 12 inmates. There's a whole lot of history out there for teams to discuss what kind of business partner they are. Seems like lots of skeletons in lots of closets...
Decay - Your list is too short. Texas has a lot more blood on it's hands:

AAC: Cincinati, Temple, Tulane, UConn, South Florida, UCF <- All Final 12 schools (you already mentioned Houston and SMU
Mountain West: Colorado State, Air Force
Indy: BYU

Schools invited to tango, but only to watch (Part of the 19 schools that didn't make the cut to 12):
AAC: East Carolina
MW: Boise State, San Diego State, UNLV, New Mexico
Sun Belt: Arkie State
MAC: No. Illinois

The Sips and OU basically said E Carolina, 3 MW schools, the whole Sun Belt and MAC conferences, "you so ugly... I give you the eye test and you ugly."

To the 12, they said they are worth making them walk the cat walk so they can mock them, but aren't worth taking home.

That's a bunch of pissed off people.

If I were any of those 19 schools, I would NOT schedule either the Sips or Sooners.
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and mizzu
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The kid on the street that no one wants to play with?
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Missouri is also in the SEC, FTR.

I doubt the PAC leadership will hold the grudge, especially if the Central Time Zone presence becomes the deal breaker on the PACN. UofH isn't big enough to carry the state. Neither are Tech, TCU nor Baylor. They would have to take tu.

And when I say deal-breaker on the PACN, I am referring to the PAC finally selling an equity stake to a media partner in order to get better distribution. If it's ESPN, they'll of course push the sips just to find a way to make a silk purse out of the sow's ear that is the LHN.

But would Fox? If Fox steps up to buy a stake in the PAC, they'll push Oklahoma because they have the Tier III rights. Would they want tu, though? Think they would still have to take them.
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None of the other P conferences want tu with the LHN. It's just not happening. Even without the LHN, the SEC isn't happening and they soured themselves pretty bad to the PAC 5 years ago.

IMO tu will go independent in football and send their other sports to CUSA. The remaining big 12 schools will add Cin, Memphis, UH, which will give them 12 schools and two divisions.
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Money and recruiting drive the bus. If the sips dropped the LHN, the PAC, B1G and ACC would welcome them with open arms.

But, the sips would want to bring their posse with them. ou is the only member of the posse that would be tolerated at this point. IF the PAC got desperate enough down the road, it might tolerate more than just ou.

I am telling everyone- unless the television market or or bowl system shift radically, the sips are staying. They will just extort more tribute from the dwarves.
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I can see where Delany might be tempted to consider adding KU and tu to get to 16. Both AAU schools, Kansas basketball, etc.

Not sure if Nebraska alone would be able to block it, although it they had their druther, OU would get the call instead of tu.
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And tu to the PAC is still a blow for the Sips.

For us Rangers fans, West Coast games are terrible. 8pm game starts. blah.

Travel distance?!

Austin to LA: 3:30 (USC, UCLA)
Austin to SFO: 4:00 (Cal, Stanford)
Austin to Portland\Seattle: 4:20 (Oregon, Oregon State, Wash, Wash State)

Not only brutal for the Athletes, but for students and fans.
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Madman said:

and mizzu
Oh yeah. Let's be real, it's not the first time they've been overlooked.
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The late game at Cal this year cooled the Longhorns to the PAC 12 crowd.
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bryanhome said:

The late game at Cal this year cooled the Longhorns to the PAC 12 crowd.


Gosh y'all are just adorable
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Decay said:

JThere's now 5 conferences with former neighbors of the esteemed Longhorns:

SEC (us, Arkansas)
PAC (Colorado)
B1G (Nebraska)
American (Houston, SMU)
CUSA (Rice)

And of course the current Big 12 inmates. There's a whole lot of history out there for teams to discuss what kind of business partner they are. Seems like lots of skeletons in lots of closets...


Forgot Missouri

Roll Tide
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Rocco S said:

bryanhome said:

The late game at Cal this year cooled the Longhorns to the PAC 12 crowd.


Gosh y'all are just adorable


Just curious. What do you mean? I've seen more than one longhorn facebook friend lamenting how late that game ended.

Considering how much grief we got for willing to subject our "kids" to the brutal SEC travel schedule, i still find the 2010 effort to go to the PAC very ironic.
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Rocco S said:

None of the other P conferences want tu with the LHN. It's just not happening. Even without the LHN, the SEC isn't happening and they soured themselves pretty bad to the PAC 5 years ago.

IMO tu will go independent in football and send their other sports to CUSA. The remaining big 12 schools will add Cin, Memphis, UH, which will give them 12 schools and two divisions.
They'll probably throw them some sort of "scheduling alliance" bone for a few FB games a year. That also helps sip to fill their schedule.
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DallasAg 94 said:

And tu to the PAC is still a blow for the Sips.

For us Rangers fans, West Coast games are terrible. 8pm game starts. blah.

Travel distance?!

Austin to LA: 3:30 (USC, UCLA)
Austin to SFO: 4:00 (Cal, Stanford)
Austin to Portland\Seattle: 4:20 (Oregon, Oregon State, Wash, Wash State)

Not only brutal for the Athletes, but for students and fans.

Austin to Ames : 4:00 hours
Austin to Charleston : 4:30 hours
Austin to Manhattan : 3:40 hours
Austin to Lawrence : 3:00 hours

And they have those every year, or a few of them. At least in the PAC with the Arizona schools, they would only go out to the West coast time zone once or twice a year.
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And if they'd added BYU...

Btw, WVU is in Morgantown.
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t.u. is a pariah. They have earned it however, in their sociopathic minds, they still think that they are the queen of the ball.

They will find out if they take the plunge when the GOR runs out but I think they will first test the waters and when they find out that they truly are "unwanted", they will "heroically" again save the BDF.
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I believe he mentioned Houston, SMU, and Rice because they were old SWC members, not because any were scorned in the bdf expansion debacle
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coupland boy said:

Rocco S said:

bryanhome said:

The late game at Cal this year cooled the Longhorns to the PAC 12 crowd.


Gosh y'all are just adorable


Just curious. What do you mean? I've seen more than one longhorn facebook friend lamenting how late that game ended.

Considering how much grief we got for willing to subject our "kids" to the brutal SEC travel schedule, i still find the 2010 effort to go to the PAC very ironic.


The point I'm making is they think any conference would not only take them but would make special considerations for them. He's saying it like "well what's keeping us from the PAC is the time difference" as if the PAC is just waiting on their phone call with open arms.
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If things in the Pac12 were equal to the BTN and SEC, the majority of Pac12 members would vote to limit membership to their current 12.

But things are not equal. The P12 chose the wrong model for its tv network. As a result, the P12 Network is not making money.

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StephenvilleAg77 said:

If things in the Pac12 were equal to the BTN and SEC, the majority of Pac12 members would vote to limit membership to their current 12.

But things are not equal. The P12 chose the wrong model for its tv network. As a result, the P12 Network is not making money.


This.

If the PACN was performing better, not a chance in hell they would consider further expansion. As it is, it is still on the table for them. Not at the forefront, but still a possibility.
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StephenvilleAg77 said:


But things are not equal. The P12 chose the wrong model for its tv network. As a result, the P12 Network is not making money.


How is the P12 network model different from the SEC and BTN networks?
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Snap E Tom said:

StephenvilleAg77 said:


But things are not equal. The P12 chose the wrong model for its tv network. As a result, the P12 Network is not making money.


How is the P12 network different from the SEC and BTN networks?
Conference owns it outright. They don't have any media partners. They were selling it and trying to get distribution deals on their own without either Fox nor ESPN leverage. And they sucked at it.
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Gotcha.
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aggiehawg said:

Snap E Tom said:

StephenvilleAg77 said:


But things are not equal. The P12 chose the wrong model for its tv network. As a result, the P12 Network is not making money.


How is the P12 network different from the SEC and BTN networks?
Conference owns it outright. They don't have any media partners. They were selling it and trying to get distribution deals on their own without either Fox nor ESPN leverage. And they sucked at it.
Plus, they regionalized their network(s). They have 6 separate networks devoted to two teams apiece. Almost like having six separate longhorn networks. I'm guessing these networks have real content problems - a lot of repetition day in and out. And how does having six separate networks promote conference unity and the chance to learn more about all of the teams in your conference?

I like the SEC Network because I get all 14 teams centralized and together. For the most part the broadcasts are always fresh and diverse day in and out.
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Plus, they regionalized their network(s). They have 6 separate networks devoted to two teams apiece. Almost like having six separate longhorn networks. I'm guessing these networks have real content problems - a lot of repetition day in and out. And how does having six separate networks promote conference unity and the chance to learn more about all of the teams in your conference?

I like the SEC Network because I get all 14 teams centralized and together. For the most part the broadcasts are always fresh and diverse day in and out.
The regional networks were certainly not a good mover from a cost analysis, but I think I know why they did that.

First, the PAC's Tier I media deals aren't that hot, partially due to time zones and media windows. Whereas the SEC has CBS, ESPN, ESPN2 and SECN as available platforms for the SEC games each with multiple time windows from 11:00 AM until primetime, the PAC does not.

With a single PACN, fewer games could be shown. With the regional PAC networks, they can show more content and have more games happening at the same time.

Does that make sense?
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Ah gotcha. Interesting. Thanks, y'all.
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aggiehawg said:

Snap E Tom said:

StephenvilleAg77 said:


But things are not equal. The P12 chose the wrong model for its tv network. As a result, the P12 Network is not making money.


How is the P12 network different from the SEC and BTN networks?
Conference owns it outright. They don't have any media partners. They were selling it and trying to get distribution deals on their own without either Fox nor ESPN leverage. And they sucked at it.


They also did a regional model where it has regional two school network coverage if I remember correctly.
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Yes. That was discussed a few posts above.

I still think that has more to do with the time zone problems and TV windows most likely. No one is going to play a 9:00 AM game on the West Coast.
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DatTallArchitect said:

I believe he mentioned Houston, SMU, and Rice because they were old SWC members, not because any were scorned in the bdf expansion debacle
I know why. Class of '94.

I included them to add to the fullness of representation.
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FincAg said:

DallasAg 94 said:

And tu to the PAC is still a blow for the Sips.

For us Rangers fans, West Coast games are terrible. 8pm game starts. blah.

Travel distance?!

Austin to LA: 3:30 (USC, UCLA)
Austin to SFO: 4:00 (Cal, Stanford)
Austin to Portland\Seattle: 4:20 (Oregon, Oregon State, Wash, Wash State)

Not only brutal for the Athletes, but for students and fans.

Austin to Ames : 4:00 hours
Austin to Charleston : 4:30 hours
Austin to Manhattan : 3:40 hours
Austin to Lawrence : 3:00 hours

And they have those every year, or a few of them. At least in the PAC with the Arizona schools, they would only go out to the West coast time zone once or twice a year.
Keep in mind those are commercial flight times, which include a layover.

Direct flights... charters that the Football and Basketball teams would take would likely be much less.

All the rest... too bad.

Also, commercial to the closest airport to Morgantown (From what I've heard) is like 90 mins (Pittsburgh) away by bus. So you spend 3hrs on a plane, get to a bus and spend another 90 mins on bus. LOL.

And think about WV's perspective.
Morgantown
to Tech
to DFW
to Austin
to Waco

Imagine the Volleyball team busing from MT to Pitt, fly from Pitt to Austin, then bus up to Waco.

WV needed to get paid, I suppose. They ought to use that money for Charter flights, but as I understand it... the runway in Morgantown isn't long enough.
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I can see where Delany might be tempted to consider adding KU and tu to get to 16. Both AAU schools, Kansas basketball, etc.

Sure, but how desperate would the sips have to be to jump at that deal? I would think the world would need to be turned upside down before they jumped conferences w/o ou.

Edit: And as awful as tu was in the B12, Nebraska should consider letting it ride. tu would not be calling the shots. Playing tu every year would get Nebraska back into TX recruiting. The BDF would be gutted. Nebraska should be able to take recruits away from the dwarves.
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