So far, Copperas Cove offensive lineman J.P. Urquidez, Port Arthur Memorial running back Kameron Martin and Silsbee offensive lineman Patrick Hudson have yet to report. Others aren't there but say they'll be there this week. Make no mistake - these are the crown jewels of their class.

This is three of their four star recruits - they had nine in this class. Unknown if there are others not reporting as of this time.The other 4 star recruits are: Zach Smith, QB, Grandview (spring enrollee); Tren'Davian ****son, WR, Navasota; Devin Duvernay, WR, Sachse; Branton Autry, OL, Coffeyville, KS (JUCO); Brandon Bowen, DE, Trophy Club; Parrish Cobb, DB,Waco.

Keep in mind schools want their freshman on campus for summer school to start conditioning and get a few courses under their belts before the fall, so Baylor wants all these guys on campus now.

Now, the 4* guys have a shot at landing somewhere if they can get a release - 3* and lower probably not at this late a date so they should probably just stay.

Baylor had the #16 ranked class in the nation for 2016. Losing there three guys would drop them to about the #30 ranking, perhaps? 2017 class has fallen totally apart.

Zach Smith enrolled for the spring semester.

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Zach Smith enrolled for the spring semester.

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Thanks.

damn

I wonder if any of them will try the trick that the OU player did in getting out of his t-sip commitment? (I can't remember the player's name)

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I wonder if any of them will try the trick that the OU player did in getting out of his t-sip commitment? (I can't remember the player's name)

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The deal with t.u. was the foreign language requirement. The kid willfully chose to make himself ineligible. Strong play by the kid and it worked out for him.

Doubtful any of these could pull that off with Baylor - as a private school , they can chose to admit whoever they like.

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I wonder if any of them will try the trick that the OU player did in getting out of his t-sip commitment? (I can't remember the player's name)

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Make no mistake - they are holding assistants right now that will be gone... hoping to get these kids enrolled.

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You have a good source on that, or are you just using your own judgment?
For the record, I think you're probably right.

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Make no mistake - they are holding assistants right now that will be gone... hoping to get these kids enrolled.

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Like before Fall Practice, or after the season? I would say near 100% chance there are multiple assistants gone after the season, no matter what the record is, but before Fall Practice would be a different story, and it would partially prove that Baylor is still in damage control and cover-up mode.

Guys, remember that not all schools are out. Many are still in session and graduation hasn't occurred yet. So there is no reason to expect that some or even all of these guys would be on the Baylor campus today. Copperas Cove, for example, doesn't hold graduation until Friday, so it is NEXT Monday that you'd be looking at; not today.

But, going forward, I went to the LOI website to see what their options are. They can't just not show up and get out of the LOI contract.

Although it doesn't come right out and say it in so many words, I believe if Baylor were to give the player a release, he could then be recruited by other schools. He can't sign another LOI, but I don't believe that would be a barrier to playing for someone else this fall. If Baylor doesn't give them a release, I think their only option is JuCo. I also think in football once you go Juco, you are committed for 2 years, but I may be wrong about that.

Also keep in mind that, according to the LOI, they don't HAVE to show up until fall practices begin.

I do not know it for a fact... just piecing things together. I think there are coaches gone before fall practice.

A full qualifier in juco can transfer immediately in most cases (see Josh Reynolds), but I have no way of knowing how the LOI with Baylor impacts that rule.

A former wake forest qb was on Sirius college this morning. He said Grobe redshirted all his freshman. I wonder how these 4*'s feel about that.

Weren't the penn state players given a full release.

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Yea, but that will take the NCAA getting involved. If you are a player, do you want to roll the dice?

On the RS issue, hard to know what this coach will do. Since he's an interim guy, it will be whatever he is told to do by his boss (BOR or some big money guy).

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Some of these guys are trying to get their LOI released by Baylor. It's kinda like holding out of NFL training camp, if you're not there and practicing, you have some leverage. Hard to say if Baylor will cave though - the NCAA hasn't forced them to release the LOIs and Baylor would only do it to appease public pressure. They might feel like canning Briles was their pound of flesh and will dig in from here... Hard to say.

Notice that zero of this has anything to do with "the right thing". Looks like $$$ and wins are still driving the boat.

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This times 1000.

There were other Baylor assistant coaches implicated in the report. Some of them won't be coaching at Baylor on August 1st.

But right now, Baylor is trying to keep its 2016 recruiting class from disintegrating. The Baylor objective is to get as many of its 2016 commits to show up and get enrolled in summer classes.

Once enrolled, those guys have almost zero options to be released and go elsewhere without transferring & sitting out a year unless the NCAA steps in (which is doubtful).

A&M has no interest in Kam Martin. We'd probably like to talk to Hudson and Cobb if they are released from their LOI's.

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Guys, remember that not all schools are out. Many are still in session and graduation hasn't occurred yet. So there is no reason to expect that some or even all of these guys would be on the Baylor campus today. Copperas Cove, for example, doesn't hold graduation until Friday, so it is NEXT Monday that you'd be looking at; not today.

But, going forward, I went to the LOI website to see what their options are. They can't just not show up and get out of the LOI contract.

Although it doesn't come right out and say it in so many words, I believe if Baylor were to give the player a release, he could then be recruited by other schools. He can't sign another LOI, but I don't believe that would be a barrier to playing for someone else this fall. If Baylor doesn't give them a release, I think their only option is JuCo. I also think in football once you go Juco, you are committed for 2 years, but I may be wrong about that.

Also keep in mind that, according to the LOI, they don't HAVE to show up until fall practices begin.

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You can leave JuCo after one year. A lot of players do and A&M has recruited some with only one year in JuCo.

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Weren't the penn state players given a full release.

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Penn State was put on probation by the NCAA. If a school is on probation players can transfer without having to sit.

Baylor hasn't been put on probation (yet) and no decision will be made by the end of summer. If I'm a JuCo coach I'm calling every Baylor recruit I can and offering them the chance to get out of their LOI and play immediately.

Some JCs could put together a good team. Then guys out of there in December, not bad for recruits, but terrible for Baylor.

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Guys, remember that not all schools are out. Many are still in session and graduation hasn't occurred yet. So there is no reason to expect that some or even all of these guys would be on the Baylor campus today. Copperas Cove, for example, doesn't hold graduation until Friday, so it is NEXT Monday that you'd be looking at; not today.

But, going forward, I went to the LOI website to see what their options are. They can't just not show up and get out of the LOI contract.

Although it doesn't come right out and say it in so many words, I believe if Baylor were to give the player a release, he could then be recruited by other schools. He can't sign another LOI, but I don't believe that would be a barrier to playing for someone else this fall. If Baylor doesn't give them a release, I think their only option is JuCo. I also think in football once you go Juco, you are committed for 2 years, but I may be wrong about that.

Also keep in mind that, according to the LOI, they don't HAVE to show up until fall practices begin.

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Josh Reynolds transferred here after one year in JUCO, playing 3 here. Not sure if that is the same or not.

Edit: Nvm someone beat me to it

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Guys, remember that not all schools are out. Many are still in session and graduation hasn't occurred yet. So there is no reason to expect that some or even all of these guys would be on the Baylor campus today. Copperas Cove, for example, doesn't hold graduation until Friday, so it is NEXT Monday that you'd be looking at; not today.

But, going forward, I went to the LOI website to see what their options are. They can't just not show up and get out of the LOI contract.

Although it doesn't come right out and say it in so many words, I believe if Baylor were to give the player a release, he could then be recruited by other schools. He can't sign another LOI, but I don't believe that would be a barrier to playing for someone else this fall. If Baylor doesn't give them a release, I think their only option is JuCo. I also think in football once you go Juco, you are committed for 2 years, but I may be wrong about that.

Also keep in mind that, according to the LOI, they don't HAVE to show up until fall practices begin.

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You can leave JuCo after one year. A lot of players do and A&M has recruited some with only one year in JuCo.

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I think the rule is that you have to attain an associates degree from the JuCo. So yeah, you can just go there for one year, but you would have had to have lots of credits coming from High School and Summer classes. I think most kids that have 3 to play 3 have redshirted and actually spent 2 years in JuCo, while only playing 1 year.

If you are a qualifier and did not sign a LOI, you can leave JUCO after a year and be eligible immediately. This is what we did with Reynolds, but he did not sign a LOI with a FBS school out of HS, so I'm not sure how that plays a role in all of this. Reynolds spent one semester in JC and then transferred to A&M.

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Guys, remember that not all schools are out. Many are still in session and graduation hasn't occurred yet. So there is no reason to expect that some or even all of these guys would be on the Baylor campus today. Copperas Cove, for example, doesn't hold graduation until Friday, so it is NEXT Monday that you'd be looking at; not today.

But, going forward, I went to the LOI website to see what their options are. They can't just not show up and get out of the LOI contract.

Although it doesn't come right out and say it in so many words, I believe if Baylor were to give the player a release, he could then be recruited by other schools. He can't sign another LOI, but I don't believe that would be a barrier to playing for someone else this fall. If Baylor doesn't give them a release, I think their only option is JuCo. I also think in football once you go Juco, you are committed for 2 years, but I may be wrong about that.

Also keep in mind that, according to the LOI, they don't HAVE to show up until fall practices begin.

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You can leave JuCo after one year. A lot of players do and A&M has recruited some with only one year in JuCo.

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I think the rule is that you have to attain an associates degree from the JuCo. So yeah, you can just go there for one year, but you would have had to have lots of credits coming from High School and Summer classes. I think most kids that have 3 to play 3 have redshirted and actually spent 2 years in JuCo, while only playing 1 year.

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It appears I was wrong and you are correct. Per the National Letter of Intent website, the NLI is not binding if a student-athlete enrolls at a JuCo and graduates from the JuCo, but apparently still binding otherwise.

This is the link to the National Letter of Intent website:

http://www.nationalletter.org/index.html

Personally if a coach can leave a school and go elsewhere without penalty (not the case with Briles but may be the case with Sumlin), any student should be able to leave as well.

could you not enroll, sit out a year and enroll wherever you want from there?

As early as yesterday I've seen some Baylolr alumni I know already trying to turn this into a left wing media conspiracy. They are ready to move past this (even though the ****-show just started) and sharing articles about other schools that have had sexual assaults, going so far as to say "you know it's happening everywhere, especially at A&M".

What is it about stones and glass houses. Huge glass houses.

The worst thing that Baylor could do from a PR perspective is not let these players out of their LOI's. I hope that they are that stupid.