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Agsuffering@bulaw
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Some bad stats:

-5 offensive starters are transfers
-8 total transfers on Offensive 2-deep

-2 defensive starters are transfers
-3 total on D 2-deep are transfers


QB transfers are normal. You do not want JUCOs at other "smart" positions. DL and RB are "dumb" positions, so JUCOs there are not as big a deal. Non-QB Transfers from D1 programs are a red flag.
schmellba99
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1-7 against bama and lsu
Add auburn or ole miss to that and the record still sucks.

Aren't we 4-4 vs Auburn and Ole Miss?

The way I see it is the last two years we've been average in the best conference in football. Before that we were pretty good in the best conference in football. We have a chance to be pretty good again this year.

If you want to compare our program to what Nick Saban (maybe the best coach of all time) does every year you're bound to be disappointed.


We had a bit of a miracle game against ole miss in 2012. 6 turnovers, but Johnny and Mike Evans bailed us out. Auburn literally had their worst year ever in 2012. They didn't win a single conference game for the first time in school history. I really wouldn't be throwing either odd those in the pot considering win/loss totals. The only teams we've actually dominated have been MSU and Arky. Wooooo freakin whoooo.

We haven't been average. We've been slightly below. Our SEC West record speaks to that. We've been lucky to have USCe and Vandy a couple of times. Or record would be even worse the last couple of years if we drew Tennessee or Georgia or Florida.
So we can cherry pick things now?

Ok, it took a lack of a horse collar call for Auburn to win in '13. That penalty gets called correctly, we have 1st and goal from about the 5 yard line. Significantly better odds than 4th and 10 from the 20 or so.

It took a lack of a penalty for offsides when LSU was at Kyle field in '14 as well. That penalty is called, the INT doesn't happen.

It took a lack of a penalty against Alabama in 2013 when they ran an INT back for a massive momentum swinging score. We still managed to stay in the game and only fell short by 7 points.

It took 3 turnovers from a freshman QB in 2012 for LSU to win, and they still had to come from behind to do so.

It took everything Florida had in 2012 to beat us, with a freshman QB. Play that game late in the season and it's a different story.

It took Hill throwing 3 interceptions against MSU in '14, and we still had some chances in that game.

With the exception of a couple of losses (Alabama in '14, LSU in '13 for example), we've really not been absolutely blown out of many games. And, even if I am not carrying the flag necessarily for Sumlin, the fact of the matter is that every one of his losses have come against ranked teams. Can't say the same for the previous few coaches we have had. And, frankly, not many coaches get to make such a claim - especially after 4 years at a major school in one of the premier conferences.

Don't mistake that for me thinking Sumlin doesn't need the pressure on him - he does. It's time for us to be more than 3rd place in the west. But the idea that simply because you want the guy gone you can go marginalize wins is kind of silly. We can marginalize losses just as easily.
schmellba99
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Oh, and anybody wishing for Miles to come here - please, stop posting. He is successful at LSU because he started with the best team in the country and has only managed a slow decline since then. His offenses are, generally speaking, a harken back to the old RC "3 yards and a cloud of dust" days. He would not fare well here because we do not have some of the inherent advantages that LSU does with regard to recruiting.
UntoldSpirit
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Alabama 28-4
LSU 20-12
A&M 17-15
Ole Miss 17-15
Miss St 17-15
Auburn 13-19
Arkansas 9-23

Bowl record 3-1
Record against tsip conference 2-0
Record against Pac12 1-0
Record against ACC 1-1


The competition is fierce. We haven't had the talent that LSU and Alabama have had. But after four years, our talent level is better than it was while we were in the tsip conference.

Re-visit after the season. I think it's going to be a good year.
phatbc
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Worth keeping him just to keep Chavis. If Mazzone doesn't fix the offense, find someone who will.

This this this
bigblackag12
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If Sumlin is a CEO/Recruiter (like Mack Brown), he should have known it and:

-Hired a better replacement for Kliff than McKinney and Spav
-Hired a better DC than Snyder to start
-Hired somebody who could coach OL

-Recruited better JUCO players to plug holes on defense
-Recruited less thugs in 2013

-Handled the QBs differently
-Not recruited Kyler or anybody else with a helicopter dad



He got turned down by narduzzi and settled for snyder, who wasnt considered a bad hire at the time. And he had almosy nothing to work with depth wise after 2012. Any DC would have struggled. Can you or anyone bring up old press clippings and tell us who was better and attainable at the time of snyders hiring? Just curious.

He needed recruiters to fix the talent/depth problem. We oversigned and took character risks just to try and plug in some huge gaps on defense.

Sumlin has done a great job hitting juco ranks for players. Can you or anyone go back to those classes and show who was our wasn't contacted and who was better that we should have contacted? We can want guys like current juco de isaiah buggs but if they dont reciprocate where does that leave us? Its not like there are tons of high level defenders coming out of jucos each year. Can you or anyone take a look at the classes in question and show who is impressive enough to offer that you know we didnt go after? Im genuinely curious because i have looked at juco defenders in the past and there wasnt much.


And can you imagine the backlash here and everywhere in aggiedom if we HADNT done everythingwe could to keep kyler? He likely goes to texas if we dont recruit him, and that would be another fireable offense for people to bring up had it gone down that way.

Instead of just throwing out should haves and demands maybe we should examine the situations more closely. Sumlin is at fault because the buck stops with him but simply saying things like hire better or recruit better is a lazy approach IMO.

Yall act like he knew how things were gonna go yet did them anyway.
bigblackag12
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Alabama 28-4
LSU 20-12
A&M 17-15
Ole Miss 17-15
Miss St 17-15
Auburn 13-19
Arkansas 9-23

Bowl record 3-1
Record against tsip conference 2-0
Record against Pac12 1-0
Record against ACC 1-1


The competition is fierce. We haven't had the talent that LSU and Alabama have had. But after four years, our talent level is better than it was while we were in the tsip conference.

Re-visit after the season. I think it's going to be a good year.
bigblackag12
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Some bad stats:

-5 offensive starters are transfers
-8 total transfers on Offensive 2-deep

-2 defensive starters are transfers
-3 total on D 2-deep are transfers


QB transfers are normal. You do not want JUCOs at other "smart" positions. DL and RB are "dumb" positions, so JUCOs there are not as big a deal. Non-QB Transfers from D1 programs are a red flag.



Yes, always a red flag no matter what the context of the situation. In this thread you say he needs to hit juco harder, yet you say that transfers are bad. You know, like brandon williams transferring to be closer to his child, or players wanting to be closer to home in general. Those are most definitely red flags. B-will, a transfer, looked pretty good for us at corner, but you wouldnt have taken him because hes a non qb transfer from D1. What about that TE klein. You saying we couldnt use his services? Are you saying all coaches that take a transfer are doing the wrong thing? Then why is there a transfer market? Why do coaches go after these "red flags" so strongly?

Jucos and D1 transfers are sort of similar occurences, yet you seem to have found ways to make each iteration of our choices therein the worst possible decision. So do we not want jucos? Like justin evans or josh reynolds? You know those future NFL guys? Do we not want kirk Merritt who is as athletic as kirk or speedy? I suppose not as he is a non QB D1 transfer. Do we not want guys like claude george, you know that nicely recruited linebacker out of juco? How about gennesy and London, 2 of the best out of juco at their position?


I apologize for acknowledging the good things our coach has done to try and fix talent and depth.
Tango Mike
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We haven't been average. We've been slightly below. Our SEC West record speaks to that. We've been lucky to have USCe and Vandy a couple of times. Or record would be even worse the last couple of years if we drew Tennessee or Georgia or Florida.
So we can cherry pick things now?

Ok, it took a lack of a horse collar call for Auburn to win in '13. That penalty gets called correctly, we have 1st and goal from about the 5 yard line. Significantly better odds than 4th and 10 from the 20 or so.

It took a lack of a penalty for offsides when LSU was at Kyle field in '14 as well. That penalty is called, the INT doesn't happen.

It took a lack of a penalty against Alabama in 2013 when they ran an INT back for a massive momentum swinging score. We still managed to stay in the game and only fell short by 7 points.

It took 3 turnovers from a freshman QB in 2012 for LSU to win, and they still had to come from behind to do so.

It took everything Florida had in 2012 to beat us, with a freshman QB. Play that game late in the season and it's a different story.

It took Hill throwing 3 interceptions against MSU in '14, and we still had some chances in that game.

With the exception of a couple of losses (Alabama in '14, LSU in '13 for example), we've really not been absolutely blown out of many games. And, even if I am not carrying the flag necessarily for Sumlin, the fact of the matter is that every one of his losses have come against ranked teams. Can't say the same for the previous few coaches we have had. And, frankly, not many coaches get to make such a claim - especially after 4 years at a major school in one of the premier conferences.

Don't mistake that for me thinking Sumlin doesn't need the pressure on him - he does. It's time for us to be more than 3rd place in the west. But the idea that simply because you want the guy gone you can go marginalize wins is kind of silly. We can marginalize losses just as easily.
Saying that beating an historically bad Auburn team doesn't scream success might be cherry picking stats, but what you've done is try to re-write history. Here, let me help your sesquepadalian logarrhea:

Auburn 2013 - Loss
LSU 2014 - Loss
Alabama 2013 - Loss
LSU 2012 - Loss
Florida 2012 - Loss
Miss St 2014 - Loss
 
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